How much does a stock TD04 max out at hp/tq?

 

as far as i know a standard td04 as fitted to a 9-3/5 is good for around 300bhp and 320ft'lb at a push.
the 9000 a td04 is a little better at about 305bhp and 330ft'lb but thats running on the edge slightly.
hope that helps.

this hybrid will be safe to around 350bhp and 380-390ft'lb torque. maybe more if you want to go a little further but thats a safe limit.
spool and driveability will be almost the same, probably not even a noticeable difference.

 

Looks like the price isn't set yet.

Also shipping and exchange rate might be a bit much for us on the other side of the pond.

 

yeah exchange rate would bump things up a little for you guys over seas. the rice is £400 plus tax (not apliacable to you guys over seas i think?) if theres less than 5 people which is unlikely. then after 5 people drops to £350 and will go down a little more if theres over 10 people but i doubt that at the mo.

 

This is a good deal i have my tdo4 away to get done , the turbo will also carry a 2 year warranty , ported and machined housing , and a custom made compressor wheel upgraded 360 thrust bearing to race spec .....you can push maybe 370bhp depending on ignition etc but no more lag than a standard tdo4

 

Anything on EGT's?

 

kinda sounds like a waste of money but what do i know, i'd probably just spring for a gt301r setup if i wanted more power.

 

you have to remember going gt what ever means it will spool at least 500rpm later than the td04 if not 1000rpm later. then the turbo itself cost more. you need a custom inlet, oil and water lines then a different downpipe and im sure you dont get a 2year warranty? then the td04 is plug and play not forgeting the other hardware upgrades you will need, intercooler, exhaust injectors and a remap etc.

im not trying to be biased but after months of researching seems by far the best option for road driving.

 

it hardly seems worth the extra ~50 hp.

just my $.02

 

i spose 50bhp doesnt seem that much. but most people spend a fortune getting from the standard 225 to 300bhp so if you have all the hardware already getting that extra 50bhp seems fairly reasonable.

 

Not really, ask JK.

T5 suite is free.
A 3" DP can be done for cheap. (just gotta know someone)

That's what, 270+ hp?

 

that all depends on what the final cost would be.

 

So no word on the internals that are going into the turbo? Do you need a 6cm exhaust housing to take advantage of this?

 

If this hybrid turbo uses a TD04 housing, i don't see how it can be safe up to 350 hp. The inside of the housing has a lot to do with the compression of air. If the housing is machined out too much, you will lose efficiency and increase air temperature.

Do you realize how shady you sound when you cannot even release the specs (compressor map?) of the turbo you are trying to make a group buy on? A turbo is not something that can be backyard engineered.

 

Pfft. I sure wouldn't pay someone a bunch of money that won't even tell you what it is that you're buying.

This sounds remarkably similar to one of the 3 letter tuners that now orders the same 550cc/min injectors that I spec.ed and tested with RCEng.com, but resells them as their own with a nice mark up and the serial numbers ground off.

Most times when someone is hiding something it's because it's too easy to duplicate.

Like putting a 19T into a TD04HL and clipping the compressor wheel 8 degrees. I'm holding the combination back to limit torque to about 300, but since this dyno I found (what feels like) another 50 hp up top with some modified tuning. So there, the secret is out. Send your 15T to Turbochargers.com and tell them to put a 19T compressor in it, clip the turbine 8 degrees, and do the tiny bit of porting that can be done. I'm running the 6cm version and can't really make myself have an EGT issue so I suspect that the 5cm would be okay with enough grinding.

 

when i did doad racing with my tdo4 15t on my 9000 aero it sucked. talk about spooling way to quick oh and no top end. all you use is top end the whole time. tdo4 is great for street racing and thats it. now i run a holset hx35/40. when your in the corner your on the gas so when you exit you floor it and theres almost no lag time. i have i hard time keeping the tires from spining under power. thats just me but if you have tried it both ways please them me how you think.

 

^ Fair enough.

We're just saying that there are much better ways to make power with a TD04 then send it out to an unknown source who isn't up front about how they would make use of our money.

Hate to say it Brit. but you've come off as the sketchiest bloke since Vince from Sham-wow.

 

^ Fair enough.

We're just saying that there are much better ways to make power with a TD04 then send it out to an unknown source who isn't up front about how they would make use of our money.

Hate to say it Brit. but you've come off as the sketchiest bloke since Vince from Sham-wow.

Yes I supposed the great american tubular manifold group buy wasn't carried out by a similar sketchy bloke since Vince, whoever he is! Or the similar manifold spacer group buy, purchasers across the pond have put it down as a scam! as they cannot get any contact with clubsport on when they will recieve their spacer.
Anyone in the usa been scammed by a UK saab group buy?
I haven't heard of any so the scam scores on the doors so far is USA....2, UK...0 unless you know better.

 

im not organising this group buy! just though tid put it out as not everyone uses all the saab sites.
basicaly what i know is this turbio has had a test model made and is performing very well on its first tune around 350bhp and 390ft'lb of torque (at the fly)
it has the compressor housing machined for a gt28 comp wheel, uprated bushes, 360 degree thrust bearing, ported wastegate and some tweaks to the turbine but im not sure what these are but could find out.
its all on the 6cm housing as the 5's are useless for anything over 300bhp.
this could also be fitted to 900's, 9-3's and 9-5's but the housings would need clocking and a custom bracket making for the actuator.
plus on t7 cars a silcone elow used to enter the turbo instead of the usualy cast pipe.

 

there is nothing dodgy about this , the work is going to be done by one if not the best turbo guys in Britain the compressor wheel is a custom design between a 18t and 19t , the guys know what there doing so there wont be any "over grinding" of the housing.

crazybrightman just came on here to give some of you guys a chance to get in on this if you want , the turbo is plug and play and as said is performing very very well , and provides a very good driving car , with plenty top end for most , most of us in the UK use out cars as "street drivers" and use them to work everyday , i suppose the roads in the uk esp. rural ones favours this kind of turbo set up lots of nice twists and narrow turns , and as such , a huge turbo wallop at 4 or 5 k rpm , is of no use , the car would be out of its comfert zone .

a well know british tuner was selling hybrid td04`s , these are a big improvment on there design, and as said a 2 year warranty speaks volumes on how well this turbo will be modded and put back together.

haveing a 400bhp monster is very well , i thought about a holset to instead of this , but as i use the car daily i need a somewhat reliable car , not something that requires constant attention , ripped out drive shafts etc , you can get to 400 bph really easy but making it a reliable 400 is another point ,
The hybrid td04 is good for 2 bar of boost day in day out , more than enough for me , but then again the sweet spot on this turbo will favour my driving style , and roads , so come on guys , no need for the dodgy comments..........
thanks

 

there is nothing dodgy about this , the work is going to be done by one if not the best turbo guys in Britain the compressor wheel is a custom design between a 18t and 19t , the guys know what there doing so there wont be any "over grinding" of the housing.

Loud and clear.

crazybrightman just came on here to give some of you guys a chance to get in on this if you want , the turbo is plug and play and as said is performing very very well , and provides a very good driving car , with plenty top end for most , most of us in the UK use out cars as "street drivers"

Same for most people on here.

and use them to work everyday , i suppose the roads in the uk esp. rural ones favours this kind of turbo set up lots of nice twists and narrow turns , and as such , a huge turbo wallop at 4 or 5 k rpm , is of no use , the car would be out of its comfert zone .

A slightly larger turbo will provide the same driveablity w/o the draw backs. (See last paragraph for more on this.)

a well know british tuner was selling hybrid td04`s , these are a big improvment on there design, and as said a 2 year warranty speaks volumes on how well this turbo will be modded and put back together.

Again loud and clear. Sounds like a decent setup.

haveing a 400bhp monster is very well , i thought about a holset to instead of this , but as i use the car daily i need a somewhat reliable car , not something that requires constant attention , ripped out drive shafts etc , you can get to 400 bph really easy but making it a reliable 400 is another point ,
The hybrid td04 is good for 2 bar of boost day in day out , more than enough for me , but then again the sweet spot on this turbo will favour my driving style , and roads , so come on guys , no need for the dodgy comments..........
thanks

This setup not ideal it's a compromise between: performance, cost, and effort to install. That hits a sweet spot for many. It's a worthwhile thing to consider. As for the reliability concerns of other turbos yes more cost and effort to install are needed. But, the reliability hit isn't has high as you claim. As a slightly larger turbo can be pushed to a higher limit than this custom TD04 yes, but it can reach the same output as this setup while working less hard to get there. Thus in the end you get actually get a more reliable setup due to less overall stress because the ceiling of what everything can handle isn't being bumped up against every time you go full throttle. Also just because a slightly larger turbo could produce +400hp doesn't mean you have to run it at that level.

All that being said it's a decent offer and I am glad across pond sharing is happening. The Saab community can certainly use all the support it can get.

 

^ Is that sarcasm?

 

A bit of history behind this thing.
OK hybrid 9000 TD04,s come in many forms - and yes, the limit - what ever you do is the Turbine / turbine housing ref: getting rid of the gas,s
After running a really nice hybrid for a yr or so I cooked it - was it debris, was it thrust bearing failure - dunno - but, for a nice real roads set up - it made sense- when fitted to a 4.05 box it made a lot of sense
plenty mid range, strong top end and foregiving if you happen to exit in too high a gear i.e. there was always enough to keep you going, and when it did kick in, it wasn,t too nasty = basically just lets you get on with the driving and the smiling bit. - so we investigated to progress this further
Not too expensive or garage demanding to bolt it up - basically plug n play
performance wise, if your familuar with a strong stage 3 ( say with 430cc inj.) then its all of this with the mid to top end that,s missing filled in. - In MPH it,s worth an extra 15mph over my test up hill 3/4mile drag compared to a stage 3 ( thats 135 versus 120)
It,s also a decent match to the limits of a std gearbox, yip it will break one if you try
Powerwise - give it a safe 315 - 320 @ wheels but it,s not about the top end - this is not the right road to go down if its top end BHP your after; it,s the broad usable spread thats good. For this - the turbine is not clipped - this can gain a tad more top end but it,s really just shifting the band upwards - gain versus pain, not worth it.
Techincally the 360 thrust is upgraded - actually a bit over spec,ed - it is designed to run @ 2Bar all day handling surge effects etc..
Turbine is std ( its a good high flow wheel as std)- although housing can be slightly tweaked to help the flow ( minor) - I,ve got the WG opened up a bit to be able to unload high rpm turbine drive should a miss hap occur ( noted that std td04s typically do 1.2barmin boost @6K+ when pushed)
Compressor is a Garrett item - of the 28 family - cast and machined to fit the TD04 spindle - compressor housing is CNC cut to match the compressor -
Garrett over mitsobushi ? well the newer spec garrett wheels are generally very efficient - better than the mitsobushi wheels - able to pump the same volume at a much lower rpm
My best comparison was with a GT28rs dual BB which I had and ran at the same time = very close, but the hybrid was nicer in the lower granny mod.
cheers

 

I have EVO8 turbo, TD05HR-16G./10.5cm2 It spools faster than 15T and have top end up to 400bhp. It is twin scroll desing and need custom downpipe and exhaust manifold.