www.jakstollperformance.com

he's the only one that i know of with tuning experience regarding nitrous on a T5 car

 

you need a full custom program with timing pulled out (or advanced? i cant remember which way it goes with nitrous since ill never touch the stuff)

unfortunately this will suck on a daily driver car, because you will be at a significant power loss with so much timing change, since there is no way with T5 to control the nitrous and have it only retard when you spray.

 

Not if you went with a 35-50hp shot and maybe up to a 75hp shot. If you use w/m injection in conjunction with nitrous, you can get away without having to retard the timing because of the great ability of the methanol to fight knock!

I would start with a 35hp shot and listen for knock!

John

 

Jak runs two ECUs, one for nitrous and one for regular operation...

You'd be better off with a bigger turbo....

 

or a green eclipse gst/gsx

 

now nitrous is a ricer add on?

 

hasnt it pretty much always been?

Paul

 

ok there is nothing wrong with Nitrous as a power adder if done right. I would be willing to bet that with a 50shot or less you would not even need tuning as long as you take it in and start with a 35 shot on a dyno doing full A/F all the way up. But I would not use it as my sole power adder.


Seriously why does everyone see Nitrous as a ricer mod??

 

ok there is nothing wrong with Nitrous as a power adder if done right. I would be willing to bet that with a 50shot or less you would not even need tuning as long as you take it in and start with a 35 shot on a dyno doing full A/F all the way up. But I would not use it as my sole power adder.

Seriously why does everyone see Nitrous as a ricer mod??

This guy knows what he is talking about, 35-50hp shot and no timing changes are needed

John

 

so....are you going to use a zex kit OR a nos kit? it would be strange to run 2 different brands at the same time....

 

lol good call. :lol:

fuck nitrous... temporary power that doesnt last very long and costs more money to refill.

NOS is a brand... n2o = nitrous.. when you say you are getting a zex nos kit, you are saying you are getting a zex nitrous express kit....

 

zex system a 50 or 75

 

So many other things can be done to Saabs to make them go faster other than Nitrous. Fast and the Furious can have the Nitrous

 

just hook the bottle directly to the intake no regluator or anything. should be good to go

 

Why is everyone on here so against trying something new??? You guys ascociate the bottle with ricers and fast and furious stuff when in fact it was the muscle car guys who have been using it longer and more often.

For driving a car that most people make fun of becuase its different the attitudes here are no different then the ones who think our cars are a joke.

hey is you want to give the bottle a go then I say go for it... start at a 35 shot and run it on a dyno measuring A/F the whole way through and gradually move the shot up to 50 and see how it goes. The other thing you can do is come over to http://ECUPROJECT.com and we can help you learn how to adjust the fuel and things for the car with the open source T5Suite programmer.

 

Not gonna lie, prolly gonna run N2O in my car this summer. Steve, I completely agree with everyones attitudes being stuck to thinking inside the box. When we all drive SAAB's and you would expect the exact opposite.

To the OP: run the nitrous, be careful, do your homework. Youll have fun learn something and as long as your careful have a quick reliable car.

 

For a minute of power, At 50+ dollars a fill, it's far from realistic... It's different if you are building a car strictly for the track and had a huge turbo which needed a little bump to get up to speed.... but just plain nitrous to me is stupid and a waste of money.

Yeah, I have 350hp for a minute.... then I'm back to stock until I can afford to fill up my tank.

 

Its great for the drag strip or when you need it for racing, not continued use. Another point is it makes the big turbos spool up fast and another good point is that instead of putting a monster gt35r that is all laggy below 5k, but is good power for the track, you can take you're gt3071 that is great on the highway and then add a 50hp of nitrous for the drag strip. This way you get the best of both worlds. Great daily driving and that extra power when you need it for the drag strip.

There are great applications for nitrous....

John

 

e85 + w/m + n2o = wet dream

 

No sh*t, e85 and w/m would fight knock great and you could probably run up to a 75hp shot without any timing retards.

Another point for the ng900 especially is that since #1 cylinder gets more fuel and w/m and nitrous, its considered risky to run one nozzle because the #1 cylinder will get most of the nitrous and possibly crack that piston.

A direct nitrous port injection system would considered safer because each cylinder would get the same amount of nitrous.

On the 9000 intake manifold, I am not sure about this one, but it looks like maybe #4 cylinder would get most of it and then less and less by the number 1 cylinder, but I have not data on this.

John

 

well its not a stock car. i like power in second and third. my tdo4-15g is great for that but third needs a little help on the top end. i also work at a performance shop so nitrous is really cheap for me. with a 75 shot the bottle should last about 6, 30 second runs.

 

i dont think she's saying there is something wrong with it, she's saying that it's a "typical" mod, and that just because what saabingforlife is doing is atypical, it shouldnt be discouraged

 

exactly... my point all along too!

 

a 50 shot is on my list of things to do, spooling an hx35w on a 2 liter motor, i'll need all the help i can get

 

I agree with zing. Im not saying don't try it, all Im saying is for a car your going to drive more often than at the track, N20 might be a long after thought after other mods. Sorry I associate N20 with ricers, I just see tons of them where I live. I would rather have a 350HP motor without N2O.

 

That is fine, we all have our opinions, I do think there is a point where if the power you want is big enough, you will have to give up a lot of bottom end and mid-range to get that. A gt35r for example, that gives me the 450-500whp I want, but its fairly laggy and I love my gt3071 and how it spools up and gives me decent around down drivability.

How do I get the extra power I need for racing and keep some decent daily drivability?

Nitrous is a good answer for this question in my opininion and that is the plans for my car. Nitrous for racing, standard gt3071 for daily driving...

John

 

While he's being atypical, he should throw some rally lights on there for good measure.

*nod*

 

maybe find somebody elses parade to shit on?

 

Some people take things too personal. Open forums = opinions. Good luck with project N20. Post status updates on your project.

 

im getting the kit on thursday.

 

Hunter..stick to your guns & do what you want with your 9k. Opinions are great for weighing your options, but they don't dictate them. That's what is so great about OPEN forum! Go TSL!!!
The plan for my 900 does include Port/polish, upgrading turbo & yes even NOS.

If I'm not mistaking in F & F movies they usually do the full meal deal as well!!!!! Yeah they do go a little bit far on the use of NOS(I need two of these 20lb bottles come on...WHAT THE HELL!!!! ..that kinda gives muscle car guys a bad rap for useing it...are they all cheating???? NO I don't think so. OF course this all is OPINION.

 

i'm thinking i should get a egt gauge.

 

I just look at it like expericenced racers do... A power adder is a power adder is a power adder...

Does not matter if its Nitrous, W/M Injection, Large Turbo Charger, Large super charger, Monster Blower, Nitromethane or whatever, they are all ways to add power and that is what performance is all about...

JZW

 

I just look at it like expericenced racers do... A power adder is a power adder is a power adder...

Does not matter if its Nitrous, W/M Injection, Large Turbo Charger, Large super charger, Monster Blower, Nitromethane or whatever, they are all ways to add power and that is what performance is all about...

JZW

For once in a long time John I agree 100% with you on this one. Well said.

 

JATO rockets.....


That's the only way to go....


There are safe ways to add power and unsafe ways. There are cheap ways and expensive ways.

A properly set up nitrous system would be safe and cheap in the short run, but very expensive over time. A nitrous setup from Joe Blow Tuner Dood would be pretty inexpensive, and add lots of power, but you'd need to start making immediate contributions to the new engine fund.

A properly setup bigger turbo would be safe but would have a significantly higher initial cost, although it would be far cheaper to run over the long run.

Nitromethane?

Ummm...John, you have any more engine carnage pictures of when you tried it?

 

JATO rockets.....

That's the only way to go....

Troof.

 

Cmon, let they guy have some fun!