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As for why he's talking about this now Bass says, "The main reason I wanted to speak my mind was that (the rumors) really were starting to affect my daily life. Now it feels like it's on my terms. I'm at peace with my family, my friends, myself and God so there's really nothing else that I worry about."

how can he be at peace with god, if god doesnt agree with homosexuality?

well, at least he's happy, no punn intended.
 
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gregabbott said:
You only have the word of human beings who claim to speak for God, to back the claim that God doesn't agree with homosexuality.
Well not to start an online war here but the account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah sited the reason that it was destroyed was for the acts of homosexuality, beastiality and sexual depravity. And after that it really never condones it anywhere else in the bible and says that "men should not lie with men for unnatural purposes". If you believe the Bible is an inspired book then that would be the proof that you would need to go by.

But hey to each their own right, as long as people are respectful of each others beliefs.
 
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stevehayes01 said:
If you believe the Bible is an inspired book then that would be the proof that you would need to go by.
That the Bible is inspired does not mean that it must be taken literally, in all instances, as a strict code of conduct. This is especially true of the Old Testament.

IIRC there are numerous specific rules of behavior in the Old Testament that all would acknowledge today cannot be reasonably followed - dietary guidelines, draconian punishment for minor crimes, strict rules on how subservient women should be to their husbands, etc.

Why people get to cherry-pick the Leviticus passage on homosexuality, and at the same time eat pork, imprison theives without cutting off their hands, etc., I don't quite get.
 
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lol, yea im not so much into that either.

I think that abdukted is right, its more along the .ines of "we are aliens sent back in time to inhabit the earth" or something to that affect.

Im more of a science guy. I dont beleive much the bible says, although i do feel some things are bad and unnatural, i.e. stealing, murder, adultery, and so forth. I think the call shouldnt come from god, its more about how you feel. If we all did that though, we would all be homosexual pagan murderers!!!!!!!!!!


but lance.....geez, I had respect for him when he wanted to go into space and actually use that filthy rich money of his for something cool
 
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The Torah is very interesting no doubt.

Naturally, if you examine the assumed roles of gender by design, a penis and a vadge go together. There's definitely no doubt about it. Anatomically, the function of both is pretty clear. Whether you acknowledge intelligent design or some form of macro or micro evolution - you have to understand that from a physical standpoint, both genders are physically different for logical reasons.

Homosexuality doesn't bother me. Neighbors are gay, best friend growing up is gay... I'm honestly pretty cool with all of it. I can't say that I'm accepting of displays of any type of affection publicly, though... that goes for both hetero and **** sexual behavior.

I even voted no on proposal two in my state so that homosexuals could have civil union. Marriage in the English language is a legally binding contract between a man and woman but gays should definitely have the same legal rights by some other means. Hell, even if the word marriage was extended to homosexuals I probably wouldn't care... what's the divorce rate in America, 60% or higher? Heterosexuals have already devalued marriage.
 
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Mr. Unkept said:
The Torah is very interesting no doubt.

Naturally, if you examine the assumed roles of gender by design, a penis and a vadge go together. There's definitely no doubt about it. Anatomically, the function of both is pretty clear. Whether you acknowledge intelligent design or some form of macro or micro evolution - you have to understand that from a physical standpoint, both genders are physically different for logical reasons.

Homosexuality doesn't bother me. Neighbors are gay, best friend growing up is gay... I'm honestly pretty cool with all of it. I can't say that I'm accepting of displays of any type of affection publicly, though... that goes for both hetero and **** sexual behavior.

I even voted no on proposal two in my state so that homosexuals could have civil union. Marriage in the English language is a legally binding contract between a man and woman but gays should definitely have the same legal rights by some other means. Hell, even if the word marriage was extended to homosexuals I probably wouldn't care... what's the divorce rate in America, 60% or higher? Heterosexuals have already devalued marriage.
Right on man. I share a lot of those feelings.

I love the people who whine about the "sanctity of marriage", but they've been through three marriages and slept with countless other partners. Marriage today isn't the sacred bond it was hundreds of years ago. That being said... I don't want two guys coming up to me and telling me they're married - partners is fine, spouses... that bothers me. Like Thom said, marriage is man and woman.
 
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Religion in genereal as was stated is about personal belief. And I agree with the aspect of parts are made to fit and the whole process and working of the male and female bodies seem designed to compliment each other. I grew up with my older brother who is alternative lifestyled so I understand both points of view but still have my own formulated beliefs and feelings on them.

Its funny how there are just certain topics that are almost gaurunteed to start long talks and debates.
Religion, Politics and why people dont own a SAAB......:D
 
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Marriage doesn't necessarily have to be a religious ceremony. I have no problem with Christian churches banning gay marriages, but the law? I have nothing to do with the Christian religion, along with millions of other people. Christian beliefs have no sway in my life. Why should the law become a tool for these beliefs? Why should anyone, regardless of their beliefs, have a say in whether two like-gendered people in love can spend their lives together in peace? Of course, they could be together without being married.. but having a second-class status in our society is not acceptable. Gay marriage doesn't infringe upon the rights of others.. nobody's toes are being stepped on.. religious folks have a right to be offended, they have a right to hold prejudiced beliefs, but they don't have the right to inflict these beliefs upon others. This should be a non-issue.

codesplice said:
That being said... I don't want two guys coming up to me and telling me they're married - partners is fine, spouses... that bothers me.
Why are you bothered? It makes you uncomfortable?

Why should your personal feelings, which have nothing to do with the way gay marriage would actually affect your life, have any bearing over the lives of others?

There are plenty of behaviors I don't agree with- but if they don't affect me, I don't believe it's my place to interfere.

I guess I'm not selfish enough to believe I hold all the answers for everyone in the world.
 
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I agree with robdigi on this one. IMO the only thing you can ever do that is wrong is to force your will/opinions on someone else. I think if you think about it logically, this applies to all basic "laws" that anyone would agree on. Rape, murder, theft, violence all fall under this basic principle.

About gay marriage in particular, I think Peter sums it up best "Gay people have every right to be just as miserable as the rest of us." :)