idk bout performance, but i know mpg is better.

 

I get 32 mpg with ethanol gas and careful driving. I wouldn't opt for ethanol free gas if it costs any extra.

 

we have one near us and you can get 87 89 93 octane ethanol free gas. a little pricey and definitely not worth it. everyone swears buy it that races around here but i have never found a difference on my stg 1 Vig. the thing to look for is a Sunoco station that sells 110 octane! that makes things VERY fun!

 

What station around here has the non-ethanol in all grades? I know the no-name station in Glenmont has no-ethanol 93.

Runway Exp. on Altamont Ave in Sch. has 112 at the pump

 

i would have thought you would have rather found an E85 station. i know i wish we had those around here. either that or i need a water/meth injection system

 

Stupid Corn lobby....I want better gas mileage back!

 

from what i read it's a 25% loss of mpg according to JZW and also almost a buck cheaper per gallon. so i dont think you'd end up spending much more per tank

 

With tuning, you save around $.30-.40/gallon over premium. (Real world experience.)

The biggest advantage is that e85 has an insane oxygenation level, far better than the best race gas. This is what gives is an advantage over petroleum based fuels despite a slightly lower energy density.

Yes, you have to add around 25-30% more fuel, but the timing you can run with zero knock can nearly make up for the added consumption, (Cruise and WOT) so it all pans out to around a 3-4mpg loss avg. over regular/non-oxy with substantial performance gains with FI or high compression cars.

105oct. for just over $2.00/gal vs. 110 for $7-8/gal. Pretty simple choice.

And to go on the op's original question. I've seen a 2* timing difference (At cruise and WOT) between 92oct w/10% ethanol, and 92oct non-oxy, in favor of the non-oxy on live data scans. What I've seen is fuel trims are slightly more lean with the 10% in comparison to non-oxy.

 

You get real gas for real gas prices and non of this corn fuel crap which just f-s up the MPG's and cost you the same as regular gas if not more it seems... I just want my Sunoco Ultra 94 back

 

Sunoco 110... anyone run this? I have seen it on at a few places before and was very tempted.

 

I have. It's not considered street legal, so I only drove it in Mexico.*

Srsly tho, I've used it at autocross events and stuff. It allows you to up your boost to a higher level with less worries of predetonation. However, on a T5/7, you'd need a tune to do it. I don't know that you'd actually feel any difference otherwise since these computers boost to a specific set torque regardless of fuel octane.

I did mine on the SPG I had at the time, and simply cranked on the wastegate, tweeked the APC and went racing. T'was fun!

 

Non-Ethanol will basically just keep your small-engine carbs from gumming up, and keep stuff that you don't use often, operational.

Put ethanol gas in a lawnmower and let it sit all winter.....you'll need a carb cleaning in the spring guaranteed. Stuff turns to sludge.

For performance gain......pfft. Not on our cars.

 

what would happen if I mixed the 112 and e85 in my flex fuel stage 3++ wagon???? :twisted:

 

Your wallet would be pretty light....the 112 is $8.49 a gallon.

 

I've done lots-o-logging on my wife's car, and my mom & dad are on board as well(MPG nazi's(logging every fill up with miles and gallons used))...filling up with premium here (92), 10% ethanol vs 0% ethanol.... there is a seat of the pants difference as well as running the 10% ethanol drops our gas mileage by an average of 3 MPG (non ethanol yields more power by the butt dyno and better gas mileage)... So when filling up, we try and coordinate so we'll be near the non-ethanol gas stations while out on errands or whatever. I'm all for growing our own fuel and all, but I want the choice, I don't need it dictated to me........fine if everything was designed to run on it, but IT'S NOT.... 90% of gas stations here don't have it.......it's mixed at the distribution center and only a few gas stations carry non-ethanol (mostly by the lake and mostly because of the boats)....... on the other hand... my other car runs on E85, and it's equally as challenging to find!.. go figure........ Ethanol is a great solvent....run it in your lawn mowers, weed eaters, boats... let it sit for awhile and it WILL ruin your stuff.....period....

 

EPA yesterday gave the go-ahead go up the ethanol content of fuel to 15% max. yippie.