Fucking a, this is on evey auto forum I have looked at tonight. READ THE WORDS.

The federal standards will apply only to cars that are voluntarily outfitted with event data recorders (EDRs), also known as black boxes.

All this mandate does is attempt to standardize the information that comes out of the computers. That's it.

I agree, it's shitty, but if you don't agree to have one on your car, it's not going to be an issue. Eventually, these things are going to get shot down in courts, just like the traffic cameras that were removed because they "assume guilt"

Same shit, different format.

 

Politics as usual

Just a little bit of "Big Bro' " taking care of ya.
Starts out voluntary, then............
Legally and illegally loaded trucks are what beats up our roads and bridges.
Their highway taxes can't be raised, that would hurt the economy.
So, the pain will be spread out to those that pay the most taxes.
The middle class.
Just a little redistribution of wealth.
Upwards and downwards.
Get ready for 4 more years of it.
He knows what's best for us.
Or, there's the R&R team.
They're not exactly pro-middle class either.
Time for a change.

 

100 years plan,
Agenda21
Illegal Putus
Illegal Congress
NAFTA
Calculated Collapse of the world monetary system
D.H.S=SS
=NWO

 

Agreed. Shit is getting scarier by the day. Only a matter of time until they can and will track everything that you do. Nothing I can do, seeing as how they've got my biometrics on file.

 

Maybe they could try and generate revenue by actually writing some tickets for traffic violations once in awhile. At least here in NH, and on my commute, they don't do shit.

I drive 20 miles down a 2 lane (each direction) highway with a 55mph speed limit the whole way. I set my cruise at about 67 and am the slowest bastard on the road. Yesterday I even had some asshole in my rearview flashing his high beam at me, haha. I'll pass a state trooper in the median every other day or so, and they are just hanging out, probably checking their facebook page or texting their mistresses or something, but definitely NOT writing any tickets. It's easy money if you actually pull people over once in awhile, set an example, and maybe even write a few tickets.

Just my 2 cents

 

the staties in NH are self funded and they go for the big tickets usually. also our state laws have some things relating to flow of traffic. you can actually get a ticket for being the slowest one on the road. its called impedeing the flow of traffic. if everyone is doing 70-80 the cops are looking for the 100+s.

this black box stuff makes me happy to live in nh where they have said red light and speed cameras are unconstitutional and where they have outlawed the use of your cars blackbox data against you in court.

 

The last thing the govt needs to be doing is playing big brother more than they already do. And it doesn't really matter who gets elected, we are all screwed anyways. I know that i for one will never voluntarily be black boxed in any of my cars if I can help it. This is why I despise on star so much. It's an invasion of privacy.

Older cars > newer cars anyways.

 

The last thing the govt needs to be doing is playing big brother more than they already do. And it doesn't really matter who gets elected, we are all screwed anyways. I know that i for one will never voluntarily be black boxed in any of my cars if I can help it. This is why I despise on star so much. It's an invasion of privacy.

Older cars > newer cars anyways.

I'm not a fan of black boxes either, mainly because of privacy concerns. OnStar (again, voluntary) is a tradeoff of privacy for immediate help, which most drivers will never need. Most of us live the bulk of our lives within range of a cell tower.

But....if you're convicted of DUI or reckless driving, have more than 5 or 6 speeding tickers, or are driving a commercial vehicle above a certain weight, then there might be some benefit to require those limited classes of drivers to use black boxes. Most long-haul trucking companies already do, and some jurisdictions are considering monitoring for repeat driving offenders.

Older cars are definitely better than newer cars, except in the areas of safety, economy, reliability and build quality.

 

It is interesting how many people are worried about these black boxes, yet carry a cell phone which is tracked by the phone companies.

 

...and by the gubmint.

 

I dont need to read this, I will make my opinion based on political ads. Thank you.

 

I just support the one that's most handsome. No ****.

 

Time Cube

 

Yea but its a slippery slope that once they are on board, insurance companies will not cover you if you don't sign up. See progressive ads.

Heck, they cannot even agree on smaller planes having black boxes.

 

I'll just disable the black box in T7Suite.

 

:th_SmlyROFL:

 

Adults that are concerned about privacy don't have smartphones nor social media.

 

...nor do they file taxes or make utility payments, or use the internet without Tor proxies...or without preventing typeprint analysis....

 

Now? Now we're all worried about government intrusion? Good luck.

*notices barn door is open, looks inside, does not see horse*

 

This

 

Ordering a pizza in the future:

 

Ordering a pizza in the future:

Make my own dough, buy cheese from farm, make pizza sauce. Fuck that noise.

 

I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want Income Tax. It's counter-productive to wealth creation and hurts everybody who makes a living by working. In the same manner, I agree that Capital Gains tax (the Romney tax rate) should remain low in order to help people with wealth creation.

I'm OK with sales tax. I'm OK with gasoline tax. I'm OK with mileage tax. In short, any tax that is applied to spending of your wealth is fine by me. People need to learn that spending and using credit is not the way to helping future generations.

Double and triple taxation is an abuse. You either tax on money coming in, or you tax on money spent. And continue the deductions for business spending as needed to help companies survive.

 

agreed.

i think a straight tax on all new items is the best idea.

 

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle" - Winston Churchill

 

Or, trying to drink one's self sober.

Why not, govt is spending like a drunken sailor

At least when I was a drunken sailor I would run out of money.
Then I'd borrow from a drinking buddy to pay back someone else.
So I could keep spending like a drunken sailor.
All while trying to drink myself sober.
Sound familiar?

 

IMO Harvey's a lot closer to the truth than say Palmer, who emphasized the voluntary aspect of all this lol. The only thing voluntary about this will be that the manufacturers may voluntarily choose to comply and stay in business

The problem here is that this is just another regressive scheme. The ultra wealthy don't care about it, the middle class who commute for a living get hammered, and the lower class is further encouraged to sit in their govt. subsidized apartment/trailer and have more babies.

 

There are lots of less intrusive ways to accomplish the same thing. Gasoline taxes essentially are a metered consumption tax, so if they're worried about losing revenue they'll just raise the gas tax, and/or reduce tax subsidies for hybrids and eliminate the subsidies entirely for plug-in EVs.

That will continue the drive toward high MPH gas/diesel vehicles without killing the hybrid market.

 

There are lots of less intrusive ways to accomplish the same thing. Gasoline taxes essentially are a metered consumption tax, so if they're worried about losing revenue they'll just raise the gas tax, and/or reduce tax subsidies for hybrids and eliminate the subsidies entirely for plug-in EVs.

That will continue the drive toward high MPH gas/diesel vehicles without killing the hybrid market.

I agree. So since there's already a mechanism to accomplish the same thing, with less equipment and less overhead, what's the real motivation? ....and then you're back to Harvey's comment.

 

I read the tax rates being so 'low' right now, and I know that my take-home is far less. I wonder how it all looks when you add up state, municipal, sales, etc taxes onto the federal, and then compare that to the taxes people paid half a century ago.

Its not so rosy.

 

I read the tax rates being so 'low' right now, and I know that my take-home is far less. I wonder how it all looks when you add up state, municipal, sales, etc taxes onto the federal, and then compare that to the taxes people paid half a century ago.

Its not so rosy.

I don't think anyone is saying it's a total party Some of our "leaders" keep using the "taxes too damn high!" argument to use as a wedge issue between groups of voters but when you actually look at the numbers, you see that taxes are at the lowest point in our lifetime.

But saying that we've actually cut taxes to the point of not having enough revenue for essential services doesn't play well on the campaign trail. (Then the question is "what services are actually essential?")

re: lower take-home pay: I lived in Florida for 12 years and the state brags about not having an income tax to attract all the snowbirds, but then nickel and dimes you with local property taxes, municipal and county fees,etc...