also, the forum appears to be broken. that post was originally 5 paragraphs....

 

I see 5 paragraphs.

I can only agree with you after hearing what people have to say after looking at the maps on SQR tunes.

 

Sounds like a hardware issue...in each car-every time.*

 

It would not idle properly(either idling around 600rpm, or the occasional bouncing idle where it goes rapidly from 800 to 2000RPM), boosted incredibly inconsistently(one pull it would only hit 12-13 psi, next time it would hit 23+, with multiple adaptation runs), and constantly overshot the target boost and hit fuel cut.

Hmm, that sounds oddly familiar.

 

You must have had hardware issues too.

 

Yeah, that were fixed by a JZW/T5suite tune.

How odd!

In all seriousness, I had exactly the same issue with my SQR GT30 custom road tune. When it was running ok (60% of the time) the car went like a bat out of hell.

Then I put a different tune onto the ECU, and it worked great 100% of the time.

Oh well, live and learn.

 

Yeah, that were fixed by a JZW/T5suite tune.

How odd!

In all seriousness, I had exactly the same issue with my SQR GT30 custom road tune. When it was running ok (60% of the time) the car went like a bat out of hell.

Then I put a different tune onto the ECU, and it worked great 100% of the time.

Oh well, live and learn.

And it made 20-30 more whp right?

 

Castor, the ECU, program/maps, and after-sale service are all obviously trash. A shame considering hard-working, honest people actually pay good money for tuned ECU's. It's a wonder that some of these tuners stay in business....

Also, I don't even understand how people even buy from SQR, NORDIC, or any big 300-$500 ECU tuning companies anymore. With ecuproject and all the high value/low cost tuners (MikeD, JZW, Stevehayes) out there, I hope people opt for them, rather than SQR/NORDIC/ETC, in the future. It seems like they provide a higher quality product and much more post-sale service.

 

I do think that the companies that intially took the risk and brought in ECU's to distribute should be supported though...

 

i agree, hence the thousands of dollars in GS stuff on this car, my other car, my dads car, and friends cars

 

You're

 

I was convinced when I saw Frank blow up Yankton's engine at SOC 05.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only wet blanket who remembers that. Rather vividly, too.

Not only do their tunes suck, I seem to remember a very impressive bitchfit at a charity event where the words "you should be paying me to be here" were used, and not ironically. Come on.

 

My big issue with my sqr tune is cold starts, i adapt my tuned ecu it still starts like shit. put the stocker in there and starts up fine. a/f wise it runs rich but hey its a mailbox tune what can i expect, it puts down respectable numbers and is driveable. After looking at some of the maps on it we have seen ways to improve drivabilty i guess by means of the throttle map (or so i have been told).

Another big issue i have with them is custumer service or lack there of. I have called about getting a quafie installed and was told f u. Now they are a quafie dealer, come on. this is just my experiance with the company.

 

the guys at Automotion are twits... i hate those assholes... never will do business with them.

 

Also, I should note that before I put the SQR tune in, my car would consistently start on the 5th crank (always the 5th crank). now....it's between the 7th and 9th crank (spark plugs have 100 miles on them, new bcpr7es)

 

i will not be doing business with them again, i will be tuning through jzw and parts from gs all the way. gs custumer support is great dispite what is being said in other threads.

 

I love threads like this!!!

 

me too they get so exciting! to bad daveship not here haha

 

It sounds like your ECU itself may have been defective. Did you ever post the BIN file on ecuproject and see what people there had to say about it?

 

careful, if you dont take his side he will mark you as a fanboi.

 

the worst thing about SQR isnt there tunes, but there shitty attitude towards customers.

if i sent an ECU out like that, i would (and have) done everything in my power to make it right

even before the ecuproject days, i tried to talk to them, and they treated me like a piece of shit,

they are just not friendly people

 

the worst thing about SQR isnt there tunes, but there shitty attitude towards customers.

if i sent an ECU out like that, i would (and have) done everything in my power to make it right

I will vouch for Mike in saying that he has showed this behavior in fixing my ECU. Thanks again Mike.

I don't understand the tuning world sometimes, I got into Saabs long after SQR and Jak but from what I understand, if you cannot and will not back up your work, then you are at wrong. I am sure Jak and SQR can tune a vehicle, but that does not mean that they are perfect and don't make mistakes. Never ran a tune from either however, so who am I to judge right.

-Troy (Mike D. fanboi)

 

yes, the ecu was looked at by someone with t5suite(not gonna divulge their name because the sqr fanbois would go full retard). they said there was a lot of stuff that was poorly done and didnt make any sense. mosfets etc were all fine. definitely a problem with the tune, and not the hardware

 

there are other things that can go wrong withing the board besides the mosfets (im sure you know this)

there have been many cases from various tuners of ecu's that have been flashed one too many times, or for some reason just dont want to take a rewrite.

but im sure it was the tune, it has to have been.

 

Hi Benny, thanks for posting your personal experiences. Seems your ecu doesn't work too well. I have had a few that work very well.

In my driveway there is a 99 9-3 what has run an SQR tune for 110,000 miles, and 5 years. Yes 110,000 miles. Also in the driveway is a 2002 9-5 that has had an SQR tune in it for 75,000 miles. Both cars start just fine, idle just fine, and get 25-30 mpg all the time. Power is good when the rest of the cars stay together, ha.

If you could show me the logic of how ALL SQR tunes "suck," please let me know. I cannot possibly explain why my tunes work better than yours, sorry.

I'll think you will agree this isn't a particularly combative post, so I'd prefer you didn't force such an interpretation.

 

Just to put my .02 in...


I had two tunes on the same ECU, and one worked worlds better than the other. That's what I base my statements on.

I'm not going to broadly say all SQR tunes suck, just the one the PO of my car payed around a grand for...

Although, you do have to admit that the issues we all hear about from SQR tunes are pretty similar in regards to idle issues, and inconsistent power.

 

honestly I think I can speak for most of us when i say that it isn't so much the tunes as it is the total disregard for the customers that try bringing business to them. they generally are just dicks. they could be the best at tuning and i'd still shop somewhere else only because they act as if we are wasting their time. Regardless of how busy one's business is, treat each and every customer or potential customer as if they are your first, last and only customer.

 

Ive had great experiences with SQR. Some dont like the way Automotion does things and thats from past experiences. Mine have been excellent. Every car is different and I think mailbox tunes are a joke. To get full/max potential out of a car a road tune is needed who ever the tuner. The same maibox tune will run differently in the same type of car with matching hardware. As far as price for a tune goes, a friend of mine got his a few years ago for $200 T5 from Automotion. This thread turned into a lynching and Ill say SQR is still great.

 

To get full/max potential out of a car a road tune is needed who ever the tuner. The same maibox tune will run differently in the same type of car with matching hardware.

Mine was a road tune done by Frank himself, complete with pirate drawing on the box...aaaaaand it blew.

I'm glad you like yours though.

 

Seems like a lot of the issues were with the earlier tunes, they have shit messed with that should NEVER be touched, much less on a generic stage 1-3 tune. Perhaps lately the "pro" tuners have discovered what it is that they've been mucking about with all these years? Hard to say, but that could explain why some people have better luck than others. Regardless, thats no excuse for bad customer service and general asshattery.

Paul

 

these threads are pure entertainment!

 

Ugh... ok just for argument sake... i found a old thread on SC in which they were highly spoken about... although this was almost 4 years ago.

SQR/Automotion tuning in the Bay Area [Archive] - SaabCentral Forums

 

That was me that started the thread and I met all those guys. Frank tuned my car on the street, took a few hours and cost me an arm and a leg. But that was before ecu project. I have no experience with automotion, but when they tuned my car they were super nice (Frank was stand offish) but I had zero issues with them. I went back and forth via email before and after and they always responded. That was 4 years ago and my car still runs good, not super fast but I wanted it that way. I would like to send my ecu to John, etc so it could be looked at, god only knows if it could be improved upon as I have no time in my life to tune it myself. The fact that so many people are looking at all these files that I would think that tunes these days would be much better than a tune that was setup 4 years ago. But here's an interesting story in regards to my tune. I had a box in my car that JAK setup a year before, and when they took that out, they copied the files (I still have that box, stock box and now sqr's box). Two months later I find out that those ass-hats tried to take Jak to court stating that the tune that was in my car was their tune. Now, I heard years back that JAK learned his trade from Frank, so maybe my box looked like Franks work, who knows... Plus those fucks never returned my screw driver that they borrowed.