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I had to sign up and leave a comment I'm so pissed about them using the Viggen name on the 9-5! That total bullsh!t.

Next thing they'll be a SPG 9-5 which would make me write hate letters to the new owners! That is such a non-Saab way to do thing if you ask me. I cringed when they turned the Aero name into a universal model thing with the 9-3, 9-2, 9-7 etc. That was GM screwing things up.

Aero should be what the 9-5 performance package is! then the 9-3 gets the Viggen name. Not "Turbo X", which was another marketing fail IMO from GM. Why wouldn't they have called the performance 9-3 a Viggen?

Then if they make an automatic 9-5 Viggen what the freak is the world coming to?

Oh and 50k is silly expensive. good luck with that after just coming off of bankruptcy...

I'm glad Saab isn't dead, but reading that crap just pisses me off. Are they paying attention to what "Saab" people think??? Hello??:x:x

 

I cringed when they turned the Aero name into a universal model thing with the 9-3, 9-2, 9-7 etc. That was GM screwing things up.

You wasted your energy. The 900 Aero existed long before the 9000 Aero, before the 9-5 Aero, there was an OG9-3 Aero...

 

if they have a 9-5 in a Viggen model i will seriously consider quitting my job. i work for SAAB! this should not be, the Viggen is a 9-3 only name. please please PLEASE do not name the 9-5 a Viggen.

 

Oh please. The 9-5 was never much heavier than a 9-3 anyways... And the 9-5 handled better.

They are obviously using the Viggen designation so they don't have to think of a new one. They have to release an Aero with the first run(296 is no slouch, either) but need time to develop a more high performance version of the 9-5. They can't just come out with a newer Aero in 6 months, so they went with Viggen.

If this is your biggest gripe about the new Saab, I think they're doing great. Not that I completely agree with the decision(seems lazy) but hell it's nothing to get worked up over.

 

No handbrake!?!? Rediculous, how are you going to drive it properly in the snow?

Paul

 

lol good point! man they know all about winter driving! what were they thinking?! :grin:

 

truth.

who cares about badges? we don't need no stinkin badges.

 

Well, I honestly think that 49k for a 9-5 Aero V6 Turbo XWD is respectable, seeing that a fully loaded old body 9-5 (like my '07) was around 45k.

It seems like a lot of car for the money.

Only thing I don't like is the 2.0L instead of a 2.3L in the larger car. However I know from experience that the 2.0L is an excellent engine, so no big deal.

 

personalization/individual program? that will kick ass!

 

It's will be just another GM nightmare. Ever try selling GM's that you had to spec out? What a pain it was. Plus all the delays at the factory and they couldn't get the orders right. Just keep it simple how Saab always was.

 

In a really evolved move, both models of the 2010 Saab 9-5 will be available only with a six-speed automatic transmission.

Am i the only one who thinks this is stupid?

Who cares about automatics? we don't need no stinkin automatics.

 

Yeah, that's a black mark for me as well. I'm not going to buy a saab without a stick shift. I know a modern automatic is better than manuals now from an engineering perspective, but I prefer to swap cogs myself.

No problem though, I'm waiting for the 93 anyway.

 

ya why is every one getting bent out of shape when they're just going to debadge them any ways haha

 

Repost/rapzop.

http://saablink.net/forum/showpost.php?p=729270&postcount=52

 

if saab could sell a viggen for $40K+ ... selling a 9-5 for $50k shouldn't be much of a problem. Yea it's a lot of GM parts but if you look at the buicks that are built on that chassis..... they are excellent vehicles!!

Doesn't really bother me that they might call it a viggen. Hopefully the 95 viggen will be the sports sedan the 9-3 viggen wanted to be with a lack of torque steer, actual positive steering feel and a rigid chassis!

They need to develop a name like what BMW does with the M division, Audi with the S division.

 

The auto only is for the V6, every other engine has a manual 6 speed option. I'd wager theyre betting the people that opt for the V6 in a big car like the 9-5 aren't die hard manual enthusiasts. It still would be nice as an option and I wouldn't be surprised to see it eventually but it does kinda make sense.

 

I'd be interested in the 1.6T, but I doubt that'll ever get anywhere near America. >_>

 

2.0TiD fwd 53 mpg? rawsome.

2.0TTiD XWD 44 mpg? Also rawsome.

 

Thats the euro combined cycle (imperial maybe?) i forget how it works but it won't be quite that impressive if done in our system.

 

diesel > gas/electric hybrid

 

Don't worry, I'd say there's less than a 1% chance we'll get the diesel's here.

Paul

 

Yeah, FTL. I wish we'd have more diesel options here. Modern diesels outperform pretty much any other drivetrain configuration in terms of efficiency, power, and long term durability.

 

Modern diesels outperform pretty much any other drivetrain configuration in terms of efficiency, power, and long term durability.

Except for power, diesels still don't have the power of gasoline engine. Even the might Audi R10 diesel race car only revved to about 5000 RPMs.

Now I know your answer is going to be "but diesels have more torque...yadda yadda...etc etc." Torque is great for highway cruising.

So yeah, diesels are great if you toddle around in the mid range all the time, but if you thrash your car they'll never have the power of a gasoline engine.

 

Borg Warner turbo? Did they finally nix using the mitsubishi td04 frame.

 

The Cobalt SS, Soltice GXP, and Sky Redline all use B-W units.

 

Personally I think that the Diesels will make it here sooner than later. I know that GM is working on some Diesels, as well as Ford... Look at what the Diesel has done for VW...

 

From what I understand its primarily an issue of meeting the federal emissions standards for diesels, they're very strict, and it basically means they have to make up a specific emissions system just for the US market. I doubt Spyker will have the cash for that at this point.

Paul

 

They are using TD04's in the V6 9-3, but who knows...maybe that will change too. B-W has the VGT tech that's in the 997 Turbo. I would love to see that turbo tech in SAABs.

 

Well, for "useable, daily-driven" power, diesels still add up. For a sports car or race car, diesels are definitely not winning in top end power gains. But, I think the R10 pretty much proves the point that top end power isn't necessary to win in motorsport.

 

Aero = S
Viggen = RS

At least I think that's what they're going for.



I actually like diesels, but I like playing devils advocate more.

I don't think the R10 won on brute power alone, it won cause it didn't have to stop for fuel as much.

 

From the SaabsUnited comments:

One of the Spyker owners at spykerowner.com had a chance to drive VM's 9-5, and was very impressed with the car. Now he's switching from a Panamera 4S to a brand new 9-5.

That's about as verifiable as viggenluca's blood mercury levels, but still kinda cool.

 

That's about as verifiable as viggenluca's blood mercury levels, but still kinda cool.

Sig worthy.

 

Regarding the Viggen nameplate being used in the 9-5, I'd have to say it kinda stirred my emotions a little bit, both positively and negatively. I love that the Viggen name is coming back, and I totally wouldn't mind that nomenclature going across the whole product line, where any Saab in Viggen trim means it's going to be Fast and Raw, a la Mazdaspeed, STi, and so on.

Except for one thing; we have that already. It's 'Aero'

What I'd think would be ideal is for them to keep the Aero designation for top-tier performance options of the regular production run cars. But if a car gets a Viggen designation, then it has to be significantly hopped up, and it should be a very low-volume limited release.

 

My neighbor just picked up a brand new Buick Lacrosse the other day and I can't wait to see the new 9-5. The interior in the Buick is almost exactly like the new 9-5....steering wheel, gauges, cluster, controls, seating, etc. The workmanship and quality in the vehicle is A+. The car is also HUGE...height, length, width, etc..just a big automobile. Can't wait to see the new 9-5.