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I just want to say that my saab is the most disappointing car i have ever had or known about. I have had it from 107k to 131k miles. Every time it seems to be working great and actualy starts to be fun to own something else get messed up. Do any of you feel the same way?

In the last 2 years:

-transmission linkage - $400
-complete front brake job - $3-400
-all new tires - $800 overpriced crappy tires
-squeky messed up front wheel bearing - $100 and still not fixed
-new fuel pump - $1200
-new thermostat - $100
-leaking sunroof - still leaks
-messed up shock bolt in back that lets water get in - bought new shocks so it kinda fixed it $400
-some apr valve died - $200
-weak ass rims that bend easy - $200

thats $3800 and i know im forgeting stuff

today a bearing or something is messed up on the front wheel i can smell like smoke or something burning , and i can hear a rubbing sound

there is a hole in the muffler - im sure that will be $300 to fix

needs new rear brakes - $3-400

Not to mention just to make the car handle like a normal car it was necessary to buy a rear sway bar, new shocks and new springs. Without a steering clamp the cars steering wanders all over the road...

Who would ever buy a saab again after owning a car this crappy?

That is the end of my rant...
 

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I can definately sympathize with you. My car is at 125k, and I've had numerous problems as well. Its not so much the car being horrible...its just around this mileage our Saabs are starting to get old, and things wear out :( It happens on other cars as well, but most people end up selling it or just get used to it.

One of the main reasons why it may seem so bad is that Saab parts are pretty expensive :roll: I try to do most of my own repairs, which has really save me oodles of money.

The car as a whole will undoubtedly last a long time...there may be little problems here and there, but its normal at that mileage for any car. Our Saabs have a very healthy powerplant..as it ages, suspension and transmission parts just need to be upgraded.
 

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ive had a combo of 2 saabs... a 2000 9-3 and a 99 viggen in the almost year ive owned them 1 thing has gone wrong. Some pully in the viggen died and it cost like 100$ to get fixed including labor. You must take crappy care of your car!
 

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oh and i forgot i also have a 900S 1993 that has never had anything wrong with it in the almost year ive owned it.
 

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Yikes, I must say you are severly overpaying on those items. My Potenza S0-3 tires were only $600 for all 4.

Start learning brakes and you can save mucho dinero.

For $300 you should be able to buy 2 used stainless saabsport exhausts.
 

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Wow.....Tweek is right on the money. You were severely overcharged on nearly all those items.

Keep posting here and elsewhere and read everything you can about the car and potential problems. Scan online parts sources and get a sense of what;s fair pricing and what's not. And stay away from the dealerships, except to take test drives!
 

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yea i bought my car with 107k miles now it is at 130k. I take good care of my car, oil every 3k mi etc. Just stupid things keep going wrong on it. Its just really depressing to be fixing it all the time. Once it is working it works great,i love the turbo and being able to pass on the highway
 

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what's so "stupid" about those things needing replacement? It's all the fun of owning a car. If you can't afford to operate one - don't drive. Sorry to sound cruel, but I mean - If you can't fix things yourself as simple as brakes or even a thermostat, then you will just hafta deal with paying ppl like me to fix your car. Unfortunatly - you were torn on almost all those prices, which sucks. And as Tweeks said - learn to do brakes yourself - and you'll save some good $$. Brakes are fairly easy these days as long as all you must do is change the rotor and or pads. I'm sure there's always a saab local near by that would be willing to lend a hand in exchange for food or booze (if you're of age....) So just try to bare with it man, it sounds like you just need a brake from the repairs and a nice trip to settle things (Tweeks meet would cure all those and perhaps teach basics of brakes if ya went and asked :wink: ) Anyways man - bare with it, and good luck!
 

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these types of problems happen with cars of that age/mileage. I owned two BMW's from 1985, a 735i and a 325e. Both had been owned by at least 2 other people. I totally LOVED those cars, the 325 even had all sorts of awesome mods, shocks, springs, brakes, sway bars, strut braces, all sorts of stuff... Yet, I spent more on repairs than on buying the cars. It eventually turned me off from having an older car. That is why even though I love older European cars I got a car with a Warranty this time around. I have spent less on leasing and maintaining my brand new Saab than on buying and repairing a (20 year old) 1985 BMW!!!!! They ran like almost new, just always needed something.

Somethings are a product of bad maintenace or lack thereof by a previous owner, or maybe they really beat on the car. Other items like rubber hoses and belts, they get old and break over time, any car from any company will see this happen. Sometimes a simple breaking belt or other part will cause a chain reaction of other things to go wrong, so it is good to do preventative maintenance on cars that old and replace some wear and tear items even if they are not broken...... sorry to hear about your car troubles, I have been there (TWICE!) so I understand.
 

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$1200 for a fuel pump?

I can get that done under 30$! (although I have to spend an hour or two underneath the car, but still!)

Tires are your fault, the 900 NG doesn't use a "special size" or anything... why did you buy crappy tires instead of good ones?

Thermostat is such an easy job it isn't funny... You could have done it for 1/10th the cost (or 1/5th)

Rims don't bend themselves... The 900 NG early 16" alloys do have a tendency to bend easier than other alloys, but you have to hit something hard to do this.

It isn't like you are having blown up transmissions and such, this is just little crap happening.
 

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My 900 turbo has always got stupid little problems, you just have to know what your getting yourself into when you buy one of these foreign cars. My cars third gear syncroniser( if thats how you spell it) is done and it kills me. You just have to have the passion to take the car and bring it to the level you want.
 

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900SET Coupe said:
I have had it from 107k to 131k miles.

In the last 2 years:

-transmission linkage - $400
-complete front brake job - $3-400
-all new tires - $800 overpriced crappy tires
-squeky messed up front wheel bearing - $100 and still not fixed
-new fuel pump - $1200
-new thermostat - $100
-leaking sunroof - still leaks
-messed up shock bolt in back that lets water get in - bought new shocks so it kinda fixed it $400
-some apr valve died - $200
-weak ass rims that bend easy - $200

thats $3800 and i know im forgeting stuff

there is a hole in the muffler - im sure that will be $300 to fix

needs new rear brakes - $3-400
You're complaining about having to do a brake job on a car that has over 100k mi.?

It's not the Saabs fault you bought overpriced crappy tires, is it?

Fuel Pump $1200? You sir got your ass ripped off!

Are you surprised you needed new shocks at over 100k mi?

I got a 3" custom bent exhaust in my Viggen for $150, are you taking your car to the bend me over shop?

Sounds like your car is experiencing normal wear and tear, coupled with a shop that scams you.
 

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Unfortunately, I can sympathize with these comments.

After years of tuning, the Slaab is finally where I like it. Its fast enough to make my buddies scream like little girls and has a killer sound system. Unfortunately it has also depreciated to the point where I can barely get enough selling it to upgrade the stereo in my Silverado.

Some of my issues:

An indifferent dealer network. I have always had to fight with the dealer for a loaner car during major warranty work (ie. broken ignition switch, dead alternator.. etc). Every time I brought the car into the dealer, they break something else... If I buy a 'premium' car, I don't want to be treated like a chump by the dealer. This pushed me to learn how to mod and maintain my car myself.

Indifferent US Marketing. How many of us has seen a US Saab representative on one of these forums?

Being different for no damn reason. Ever wonder why its hard to find 110x5 bolt pattern on aftermarket wheels? The DI cassette: why replace just 1 bad ignition coil when we can charge you for all 4 at the same time? How many of us had to learn to solder because of the famous 8-pin DIN pre-out?

Badge marketing. The new 9-2 is a Subaru WRX (and not the STi). The new 9-7 is a Chevy Trailblazer. Is this the future? Welcome GM MBA marketing.

The world has moved on. At 210 HP, the 9-3 Vector/Aero is outgunned by the 240hp Nissan Altima. The Acura TL makes 270hp! And those are just the FWD cars.

My next car won't be a Saab...
 

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Stock GM Europe wheel pattern is 5x110. In terms of cars/made it's fairly popular, but hard to find on this side of the pond since only Saab makes good use of it.
 

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An indifferent dealer network. I have always had to fight with the dealer for a loaner car during major warranty work (ie. broken ignition switch, dead alternator.. etc). Every time I brought the car into the dealer, they break something else... If I buy a 'premium' car, I don't want to be treated like a chump by the dealer. This pushed me to learn how to mod and maintain my car myself.
Perhaps you should have said an indifferent local dealer. I've run across good and bad dealers with EVERY brand I've ever owned, it's the nature of the game.

Indifferent US Marketing. How many of us has seen a US Saab representative on one of these forums?
Find me any auto brand where marketing reps *are* participating actively on internet forums.

The DI cassette: why replace just 1 bad ignition coil when we can charge you for all 4 at the same time?
Plenty of other makes use failable multi-plug coil packs, and other brands' packs have had worse track records (and are more expensive to replace) than Saab's.

Badge marketing. The new 9-2 is a Subaru WRX (and not the STi). The new 9-7 is a Chevy Trailblazer. Is this the future? Welcome GM MBA marketing.
Every single Saab made in the last 30 years has had at least one major component, if not an entire chassis, from another manufacturer. Besides, the two cars you've picked out are stopgaps to break Saab in to new markets without development costs. They're *not* an indication of what the future holds, unless you're utterly pessimistic.

The world has moved on. At 210 HP, the 9-3 Vector/Aero is outgunned by the 240hp Nissan Altima. The Acura TL makes 270hp! And those are just the FWD cars.
Name an era where Saab cars beat other cars at similar prices in performance or power. I can't think of any. Horsepower wars have never been their game.

My next car won't be a Saab...
I hope you're happy with whatever you end up buying! I've moved on as well - I've owned almost a dozen cars since the last daily driver Saab I had. But I still remain a fan of the marque, and I applaud the direction they're taking, given the current situation they're in.

And I hope this post doesn't come off as argumentitive, I'm just trying to make friendly counter-points to your complaints. :wink:
 

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Perhaps you should have said an indifferent local dealer. I've run across good and bad dealers with EVERY brand I've ever owned, it's the nature of the game.
This is based on a representative sample of 3 Canadian dealers and 2 US dealers. And yah an independent Saab specialist garage as well. I'm not ASE certified, but I do a better job maintaining my own car. As a consumer, I've had consistently better satisfaction at MB, Land Rover, BMW, VW, Lexus and even Jaguar dealers.

Find me any auto brand where marketing reps *are* participating actively on internet forums.
Bad example. How about sponsoring motorsports, ownership events or regular sports events? Saab made a half-hearted stab at mountain biking... but realistically, when was the last time you spent a sunday afternoon watching biking? And its been a few years that I've heard of Saab participation in king of the hill. Saab used to push Talledega enduros, but I haven't seen this in years.

Plenty of other makes use failable multi-plug coil packs, and other brands' packs have had worse track records (and are more expensive to replace) than Saab's.
Still a bad design. A bad idea shared, is still a bad idea.

Every single Saab made in the last 30 years has had at least one major component, if not an entire chassis, from another manufacturer. Besides, the two cars you've picked out are stopgaps to break Saab in to new markets without development costs. They're *not* an indication of what the future holds, unless you're utterly pessimistic.
Pessimistic? No. Pragmatic maybe. There is a difference with sharing development (ie. the 9000 was shared with Peugeot and Alfa Romeo.. but Saab went with a unique 5 door application and had a unique engine) and the horrors of GM management. The chief of Saab in the US was formerly in charge of winding down Oldsmobile. Is this using the best tool to grow the brand? Last I heard Saab still is not profitable and profitability is what GM is all about. New car model development is expensive. GM is famous for putting different badges on the same car and calling them different models. There have been numerous layoffs in Trollhattan. The 9-3 cabrio is made in Austria. Financial magazines are taking polls on when GM will kill Saab. In tough times, given a choice between saving Saab or Saturn you know what GM will pick.

BTW.. I'm probably gonna get flamed, but I thought the 9-X was a hideous body on a brilliant chassis.

If I was truly pessmistic, I'd say the current 9-3 is simply a Chevy Malibu with a turbocharged Saturn Ecotec engine and an upgraded corinthian leather package. But I'm not.

Name an era where Saab cars beat other cars at similar prices in performance or power. I can't think of any. Horsepower wars have never been their game.
Ever hear of the SPG? 9000 Aero? Even the Viggen? For their time, these were fast, high performance, relatively affordable premium cars. Saab to me was always unique in the auto world of being able to combine comfort for guys over 6ft, performance, utility and affordability.

Next car? Not for awhile. The Slaab pulls mid 13s in the quarter, has 1900 Watts of sound, goes 24mpg in the city and has no sign of rust. With a street value around 7k, I'm making money by keeping it until it dies. But when it does, something else will be taking its place.

Just a friendly response to your counter points. :lol:
 

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Good comebacks. ;)

I agree that Saab's marketing is in the ditch, but they're not much worse off than lots of their competitors. And, off the top of my head, I can't think of a pro-level racing environment that would make sense for them to enter.

And, to give them some credit, they are sponsoring drive events with their new models now. My friend Ben (Tweek's Turbos on here) is signed up to participate in one somewhere around here for when the 9-2x debuts.

Speaking of the 9-2X, I guess it's a matter of personal preference. I like the 9-2X styling, but I also like the current Imprezza. I hated the previous Imprezza. You can argue that the 9-2 is a WRX with a Saab front end, but the side profile still works well as a Saab, IMHO. Look at side-on photos of the 9-2X and a 9-5 wagon, there are plenty of similarities.

I'm still gonna hold me ground on the performance issue. I really don't think Saab has ever been a good choice for bang-for-the buck, and I don't think they're any better or worse right now than they have been in other eras in that regard. At beast, I'd say they're *better* now than they have been at other times - the 9-2X Aero offers more hp than the Viggen, at about $15k less MSRP. And, you can't argue with the 250hp (280 in Europe, right?) 9-5 Aero.
 

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Speaking of the 9-2X, I guess it's a matter of personal preference. I like the 9-2X styling, but I also like the current Imprezza. I hated the previous Imprezza. You can argue that the 9-2 is a WRX with a Saab front end, but the side profile still works well as a Saab, IMHO. Look at side-on photos of the 9-2X and a 9-5 wagon, there are plenty of similarities.
Actually I was speaking of the 9-X concept car. The topic was the future of Saab and you had made the point the 9-2 and 9-7 were exceptions in the direction Saab was taking. The 9-X was the last concept car produced by Saab.. what better indication of future direction than a concept car?




And.. there are better vehicles in the GM stable to steal from:

Instead of the Subaru WRX (tell me GM cares about Saab, when they could have used the STi instead), why not create a Saab halo car out of the Opel Speedster (rebadged lotus elise with a vauxhall version as well)? A Sonett for the 21st century. Putting a Saab 2.3 Viggen engine (instead of the 180hp Toyota due in the US) in this would make it a monster.




And the 9-7? Saabs have never been about SUVs. This was to meet dealer demand to service a fad that has died in the reality of $2/gal gasoline.
 
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