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- It's ON! The 2.3 converted N/A C900 shootout -

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Alright, after much prodding, contentious innuendo, haranguing and outright animosity (along with a bit of contemplation), it has been decided that a competition needs to take place in order to resolve a dispute, i.e., in lay terms, separate the "posers" from the real deal.

The basis of the competition revolves around two(2) matters in contention, the first being whether or not a 2.3 can be put into/made out of a C900, and the second being whether or not I have actually accomplished this feat/currently have such a machine in my possession.

The following is the background commentary that spurred this competition and my response thereto, in otherwords, the challenge and my reply:

Bring Your Saab, I'll Bring My Saab.

Bring your RWD American Junk, I'll show up in a 440 Super Bee that does Wheel Stands.

Bring Your Beemer or Whatever you think a Road car is and i'll bring a Sierra Cosworth.

I GUARANTEE all those are REAL Carz. All of which i have Actually worked on ,Constructed Etc,.
Well? Lets See your Saab? 75&80 What do you want to run with? A 9k with a 20g China Booster. or a 93 on Crack?
Well, let's review...Since you question not only the ability to convert a N/A autoboxed C900 from stock to a 2.3, but also the fact of whether or not I have managed to accomplish this, I say we keep it all in the proper context as that is what is in dispute, what is the root of the contention.

What I'll "run" is the 2.3 converted '87 C900 and you are to locate one of your own to do the 2.3 conversion on then, once you've accomplished this feat, we'll arrange to meet somewhere for a race or two, afterall, you wouldn't want me to show up with a Veyron, Reventon, Enzo or, relatively speaking, a Trevita CCXR (at least it's actually Swedish), either of which would readily spank (HARD!) each and everything you've listed, "wheel standing" or not.

So let's be realistic because it would be unethical, not to mention a blatant display of bad sportsmanship and shallowness of character, to bring a gun to a knife fight.

The rules of this little contest are as follows:

1. The base vehicle must be a '85-'90 model C900

2. It must be N/A

3. The end result must be a 2.3 converted C900 (since it is the opinion of a certain competitor that it is nigh on impossible)

4. It must use the Saab autobox (since this is also considered an impossibility)

5. A NIRA i3+ Engine Management Unit is permissible (since I've one on mine because Jak closed shop due to people screwing him over and I couldn't manage to get the stock one to do what I wanted/needed it to do)

6. It must be a street legal daily driver (as is mine)

7. Other than that you build it your way, as I have built mine my way, but the end result must be conceived, fabricated and implemented by the owner (that means you, Harvey, since an individuals' mechanical aptitude/ability has been called into question), and we'll see (eventually) just whom has their shit together/knows what in the hell they're talking about/can back up their (so-called) online BS smack talking, that is, who is real, or just a poser.

***Oh yeah, since this little competition could potentially appeal to a number of people within the Saab community, anyone and everyone is invited to participate (pass it on). So come on, let's see what you've got/separate the men from the boys/the women from the girls***

*The rules may/will be edited as need be the case/as the situation develops, but that's pretty much it right there so, in closing, the long and short of it is...If you want some, come get some!
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1. What's the point of an NA Saab?
2. I'm sick of seeing that Jeep.
You might want to ask Nick about what the "point" is in building an N/A Saab....
When the call to "put up or shut up" goes out, an honest person usually "puts up". If only to prove the naysayers wrong.
I'm not posting any pics because I do not wish to provide any insight regarding how to pull this off, preferring instead to leave it to the competition to figure it out on their own.

As usual with these sort of posts, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Don't ask me why.
Thanks! I appreciate it. :cool:

A few things I didn't see: Is FWD a requirement? How about front-engine? A mid-engine rwd c900 with a 2.3L has been done, there are pictures online. You aren't re-inventing the wheel here.
Yes, and yes (I'll edit the rules to include this clarification).

Although I don't know why you'd want to use a n/a auto for the conversion, you certainly could.
Because it is the general consensus that it cannot be done due to the (seemingly) inherent limitations of the N/A auto platform.

And how about a transverse motor? A 2.3L c900 isn't actually that difficult if you convert it to transverse. We have seen it done on both c900s and 99s. You install the front clip including all suspension components, etc from a ng900 firewall-forward and re-shell with c900 bodywork. This way everything engine/trans wise bolts up with no problem. You use ng900 suspension, brakes, motor, trans, motor mounts, etc.

Lastly, you said "Saab autobox". Saab didn't make its own automatic transmission for the c900 or newer. Does that mean the three-speed T37 unit, or the Aisin-Warner box from the ng900? The rules are sketchy here. If you used the standard c900 transmission with a custom case, you could lower the gearset past where the crank would hit. Is this allowed? Or by "Saab autobox" do you mean a stock, unmodified unit including the case?

Let me know.
I'll do some rule editing...Stay tuned.
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i would like to participate. are there any rules pertaining to the number of ground straps you are required to use?
You might want to ask Nick about what the "point" is in building an N/A Saab....
Who is Nick?
You have an hour.

Then I'm locking this idiotic thread.

I even set an Outlook reminder, cause I'm a pro.

14 minutes.

This is just stupid.
Because it is the general consensus that it cannot be done due to the (seemingly) inherent limitations of the N/A auto platform.
Wait, what?

That is not the general consensus. "Inherent limitations in the N/A auto platform"? Not at all.

The general consensus is that it's a pointless conversion. Nothing is impossible. I got the "impossible" word thrown around many a time when building my c900. Guess what? Proved every one of them wrong.

If you have fabrication skills, time, money, energy and materials, you can swap just about anything into just about anything else. People swap Corvette LS1 V8s into Mazda RX-7s. Hayabusa motors into Smart ForTwos. V12s into bmw e30s. No one is saying it's impossible. Is it plug and play? No. Is it possible? Absolutely.

If you have actually done this swap, I am sure many would like to see how you handled the "trickier" aspects of the install. Why the hostility? If you did a swap, share what you've done. Our community of Saab drivers as a whole will benefit.

The reason why I said "pointless" is that in every category, swapping a n/a automatic 2.3L motor into a c900 is not the most efficient way to improve the vehicle. So if you were going to get more power out of a c900, why not retrofit a turbo? Much easier. If you're looking to increase MPGs, well then you should do an auto-to-manual conversion instead. Also much easier. Maintenance, you're not gaining anything there. Custom is always more difficult to deal with, I've been modding my c900 for ten years now and I can attest to that.
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I have a beard, hence I am referred to as "the bearded one" around here.
See, that's where this gets funny...

The guy has got to be a troll. Self admitted to being active on a bunch of websites, so he is familiar with the internet. He fits the ricer personality type to a tee, almost too good at it, actually. He almost certainly actually owns at least one old, crappy c900s, so probably has some degree of familiarity with them, but likely not enough to know the ins and outs of the internals (or he does know and is trollin' super hard).
Other than a couple Saab sites, the ones I primarily frequent are Physics and Engineering and Sciences sites, and I've owned quite a few Saabs and currently own "at least one, crappy c900s...."

Either way, since we know there is insufficient crank clearance, nobody smart would spend the time and money to disassemble a c900 motor, have it machined to the extent where it will have a large enough bore to bump it to 2.3L, add to that the custom rings and pistons as well. You're looking at a large amount of work, and a large chunk of change to make what will still amount to a pants-shittingly-slow, boring car.
Hey now...You shouldn't talk about amish geek like that....
I tend to agree with the theory that JK expounds.

In lay terms Snigel, I think you're a troll, too.

Albeit a very dedicated troll. You've been here a year and have almost 500 posts. That indicates serious dedication. Or serious lack of a real life and real friends.
It is not the number of posts, rather the quality of their content...Quality over quantity wins every time.
It is not the number of posts, rather the quality of their content...Quality over quantity wins every time.
And all of your posts lack quality content.
Ok, that's it.

This is over.
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