Excuuuuse me...I'll just refer to him s "Harvey" then to avoid any confusion, though you are invited to participate as well as all are welcome to make a go of it.
- It's ON! The 2.3 converted N/A C900 shootout -
Alright, after much prodding, contentious innuendo, haranguing and outright animosity (along with a bit of contemplation), it has been decided that a competition needs to take place in order to resolve a dispute, i.e., in lay terms, separate the "posers" from the real deal.
The basis of the competition revolves around two(2) matters in contention, the first being whether or not a 2.3 can be put into/made out of a C900, and the second being whether or not I have actually accomplished this feat/currently have such a machine in my possession.
The following is the background commentary that spurred this competition and my response thereto, in otherwords, the challenge and my reply:
What I'll "run" is the 2.3 converted '87 C900 and you are to locate one of your own to do the 2.3 conversion on then, once you've accomplished this feat, we'll arrange to meet somewhere for a race or two, afterall, you wouldn't want me to show up with a Veyron, Reventon, Enzo or, relatively speaking, a Trevita CCXR (at least it's actually Swedish), either of which would readily spank (HARD!) each and everything you've listed, "wheel standing" or not.
So let's be realistic because it would be unethical, not to mention a blatant display of bad sportsmanship and shallowness of character, to bring a gun to a knife fight.
The rules of this little contest are as follows:
1. The base vehicle must be a '85-'90 model C900
2. It must be N/A
3. The end result must be a 2.3 converted C900 (since it is the opinion of a certain competitor that it is nigh on impossible)
4. It must use the Saab autobox (since this is also considered an impossibility)
5. A NIRA i3+ Engine Management Unit is permissible (since I've one on mine because Jak closed shop due to people screwing him over and I couldn't manage to get the stock one to do what I wanted/needed it to do)
6. It must be a street legal daily driver (as is mine)
7. Other than that you build it your way, as I have built mine my way, but the end result must be conceived, fabricated and implemented by the owner (that means you, Harvey, since an individuals' mechanical aptitude/ability has been called into question), and we'll see (eventually) just whom has their shit together/knows what in the hell they're talking about/can back up their (so-called) online BS smack talking, that is, who is real, or just a poser.
***Oh yeah, since this little competition could potentially appeal to a number of people within the Saab community, anyone and everyone is invited to participate (pass it on). So come on, let's see what you've got/separate the men from the boys/the women from the girls***
*The rules may/will be edited as need be the case/as the situation develops, but that's pretty much it right there so, in closing, the long and short of it is...If you want some, come get some!
The basis of the competition revolves around two(2) matters in contention, the first being whether or not a 2.3 can be put into/made out of a C900, and the second being whether or not I have actually accomplished this feat/currently have such a machine in my possession.
The following is the background commentary that spurred this competition and my response thereto, in otherwords, the challenge and my reply:
Bring Your Saab, I'll Bring My Saab.
Bring your RWD American Junk, I'll show up in a 440 Super Bee that does Wheel Stands.
Bring Your Beemer or Whatever you think a Road car is and i'll bring a Sierra Cosworth.
I GUARANTEE all those are REAL Carz. All of which i have Actually worked on ,Constructed Etc,.
Well, let's review...Since you question not only the ability to convert a N/A autoboxed C900 from stock to a 2.3, but also the fact of whether or not I have managed to accomplish this, I say we keep it all in the proper context as that is what is in dispute, what is the root of the contention.Well? Lets See your Saab? 75&80 What do you want to run with? A 9k with a 20g China Booster. or a 93 on Crack?
What I'll "run" is the 2.3 converted '87 C900 and you are to locate one of your own to do the 2.3 conversion on then, once you've accomplished this feat, we'll arrange to meet somewhere for a race or two, afterall, you wouldn't want me to show up with a Veyron, Reventon, Enzo or, relatively speaking, a Trevita CCXR (at least it's actually Swedish), either of which would readily spank (HARD!) each and everything you've listed, "wheel standing" or not.
So let's be realistic because it would be unethical, not to mention a blatant display of bad sportsmanship and shallowness of character, to bring a gun to a knife fight.
The rules of this little contest are as follows:
1. The base vehicle must be a '85-'90 model C900
2. It must be N/A
3. The end result must be a 2.3 converted C900 (since it is the opinion of a certain competitor that it is nigh on impossible)
4. It must use the Saab autobox (since this is also considered an impossibility)
5. A NIRA i3+ Engine Management Unit is permissible (since I've one on mine because Jak closed shop due to people screwing him over and I couldn't manage to get the stock one to do what I wanted/needed it to do)
6. It must be a street legal daily driver (as is mine)
7. Other than that you build it your way, as I have built mine my way, but the end result must be conceived, fabricated and implemented by the owner (that means you, Harvey, since an individuals' mechanical aptitude/ability has been called into question), and we'll see (eventually) just whom has their shit together/knows what in the hell they're talking about/can back up their (so-called) online BS smack talking, that is, who is real, or just a poser.
***Oh yeah, since this little competition could potentially appeal to a number of people within the Saab community, anyone and everyone is invited to participate (pass it on). So come on, let's see what you've got/separate the men from the boys/the women from the girls***
*The rules may/will be edited as need be the case/as the situation develops, but that's pretty much it right there so, in closing, the long and short of it is...If you want some, come get some!
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The "proof" will be at the track, you're welcome to have a go at it as well, just as everyone is.Lots of hot air, not much proof of anything. As usual.
i feel like this guy is raul and viggenluca combined into one.
I think this thread is stupid.
I encourage all to ignore it, until it goes away.
I don't foresee any real "proof" coming out of this anytime soon, I see it more as a cry for attention.
I encourage all to ignore it, until it goes away.
I don't foresee any real "proof" coming out of this anytime soon, I see it more as a cry for attention.
dittoI think this thread is stupid.
I encourage all to ignore it, until it goes away.
I don't foresee any real "proof" coming out of this anytime soon, I see it more as a cry for attention.
Harvey is a c900 and saab god.
i win
i win
Cool. Blowing $XXXX on a n/a auto c900 just to prove someone wrong on the internet is JUST what I want to do. I'm sure everyone else will be excited to do the same.The "proof" will be at the track, you're welcome to have a go at it as well, just as everyone is.
let us know how money you wasted setting this up after no one showed up
Has it occured to any one else around here that a 2.3NA c900 can not exist? Sure the crank fits in the block but the throw Crashes into the trans case. Sorry Snigel Puss, Your Full of your self and Shit as well. Why the Hell would I buy a c900 Auto? Got any real cars? Like one with a Turbo maybe? You know what saabs are famous for? How about you race that 200mph NG900 you like to brag about?
These are REAL CARS... With Pictures, I even Have videos around here some where..Of REAL CARS. Like these. Not Imaginary ones.
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These are REAL CARS... With Pictures, I even Have videos around here some where..Of REAL CARS. Like these. Not Imaginary ones.
I Neglected to tell you How Awesome seeing this thing Was, Great Job Man! Cheers And Much Props. At the time i was just pissed at myself because you beat me to It. Good Game!![]()
This thing is way more fun then any autotragic c900. 2.3 or not.
Bingo.I think this thread is stupid.
I encourage all to ignore it, until it goes away.
I don't foresee any real "proof" coming out of this anytime soon, I see it more as a cry for attention.
The beard has spoken.
And, any idiot can put a 2.3 valve cover on a 2.0
I was expecting a lot more from this thread
Im sorry - but this is the dumbest thread I've ever seen on saablink. At least Matty's (Mateo) threads were funny, and provided some entertainment value.to compete in this challenge, the vehicle in question must be an automatic, N/A with a 2.3 mod.
Come on now, let's see just how much HP one can wring out of these, plus, let's see just what sort of mechanical/technical aptitude everyone has.
This? Just sucks.
Why in the eff would you ever care to build a 2.3 n/a auto anyway?? Who gives a shit? Who in their right mind would bother with this 'build'? Its pointless, and stupid.
You have no pictures, you have no videos. The car doesnt exist.
Cool story bro.
1. What's the point of an NA Saab?
2. I'm sick of seeing that Jeep.
2. I'm sick of seeing that Jeep.
This.You have no pictures, you have no videos. The car doesnt exist.
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When the call to "put up or shut up" goes out, an honest person usually "puts up". If only to prove the naysayers wrong.
Doesn't seem like Harvey wants to play. Thank you Harvey
this guy is smoking dope, and should be exciled
Haha no worries. Your buddy was busy talking to me about the Merkurs anywayI Neglected to tell you How Awesome seeing this thing Was, Great Job Man! Cheers And Much Props. At the time i was just pissed at myself because you beat me to It. Good Game!
I know that feeling of being beat to the punch, that was one of the driving forces behind me and my buddy for getting that project done.
As usual with these sort of posts, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Don't ask me why.The rules of this little contest are as follows:
1. The base vehicle must be a '85-'90 model C900
2. It must be N/A
3. The end result must be a 2.3 converted C900 (since it is the opinion of a certain competitor that it is nigh on impossible)
4. It must use the Saab autobox (since this is also considered an impossibility)
5. A NIRA i3+ Engine Management Unit is permissible (since I've one on mine because Jak closed shop due to people screwing him over and I couldn't manage to get the stock one to do what I wanted/needed it to do)
6. It must be a street legal daily driver (as is mine)
A few things I didn't see: Is FWD a requirement? How about front-engine? A mid-engine rwd c900 with a 2.3L has been done, there are pictures online. You aren't re-inventing the wheel here. Although I don't know why you'd want to use a n/a auto for the conversion, you certainly could.
And how about a transverse motor? A 2.3L c900 isn't actually that difficult if you convert it to transverse. We have seen it done on both c900s and 99s. You install the front clip including all suspension components, etc from a ng900 firewall-forward and re-shell with c900 bodywork. This way everything engine/trans wise bolts up with no problem. You use ng900 suspension, brakes, motor, trans, motor mounts, etc.
Lastly, you said "Saab autobox". Saab didn't make its own automatic transmission for the c900 or newer. Does that mean the three-speed T37 unit, or the Aisin-Warner box from the ng900? The rules are sketchy here. If you used the standard c900 transmission with a custom case, you could lower the gearset past where the crank would hit. Is this allowed? Or by "Saab autobox" do you mean a stock, unmodified unit including the case?
Let me know.
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