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Alright, after much prodding, contentious innuendo, haranguing and outright animosity (along with a bit of contemplation), it has been decided that a competition needs to take place in order to resolve a dispute, i.e., in lay terms, separate the "posers" from the real deal.

The basis of the competition revolves around two(2) matters in contention, the first being whether or not a 2.3 can be put into/made out of a C900, and the second being whether or not I have actually accomplished this feat/currently have such a machine in my possession.

The following is the background commentary that spurred this competition and my response thereto, in otherwords, the challenge and my reply:

Bring Your Saab, I'll Bring My Saab.

Bring your RWD American Junk, I'll show up in a 440 Super Bee that does Wheel Stands.

Bring Your Beemer or Whatever you think a Road car is and i'll bring a Sierra Cosworth.

I GUARANTEE all those are REAL Carz. All of which i have Actually worked on ,Constructed Etc,.
Well? Lets See your Saab? 75&80 What do you want to run with? A 9k with a 20g China Booster. or a 93 on Crack?
Well, let's review...Since you question not only the ability to convert a N/A autoboxed C900 from stock to a 2.3, but also the fact of whether or not I have managed to accomplish this, I say we keep it all in the proper context as that is what is in dispute, what is the root of the contention.

What I'll "run" is the 2.3 converted '87 C900 and you are to locate one of your own to do the 2.3 conversion on then, once you've accomplished this feat, we'll arrange to meet somewhere for a race or two, afterall, you wouldn't want me to show up with a Veyron, Reventon, Enzo or, relatively speaking, a Trevita CCXR (at least it's actually Swedish), either of which would readily spank (HARD!) each and everything you've listed, "wheel standing" or not.

So let's be realistic because it would be unethical, not to mention a blatant display of bad sportsmanship and shallowness of character, to bring a gun to a knife fight.

The rules of this little contest are as follows:

1. The base vehicle must be a '85-'90 model C900

2. It must be N/A

3. The end result must be a 2.3 converted C900 (since it is the opinion of a certain competitor that it is nigh on impossible)

4. It must use the Saab autobox (since this is also considered an impossibility)

5. A NIRA i3+ Engine Management Unit is permissible (since I've one on mine because Jak closed shop due to people screwing him over and I couldn't manage to get the stock one to do what I wanted/needed it to do)

6. It must be a street legal daily driver (as is mine)

7. Other than that you build it your way, as I have built mine my way, but the end result must be conceived, fabricated and implemented by the owner (that means you, Harvey, since an individuals' mechanical aptitude/ability has been called into question), and we'll see (eventually) just whom has their shit together/knows what in the hell they're talking about/can back up their (so-called) online BS smack talking, that is, who is real, or just a poser.

***Oh yeah, since this little competition could potentially appeal to a number of people within the Saab community, anyone and everyone is invited to participate (pass it on). So come on, let's see what you've got/separate the men from the boys/the women from the girls***

*The rules may/will be edited as need be the case/as the situation develops, but that's pretty much it right there so, in closing, the long and short of it is...If you want some, come get some!
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Alright, after much prodding, contentious innuendo, haranguing and outright animosity (along with a bit of contemplation), it has been decided that a competition needs to take place in order to resolve a dispute, i.e., in lay terms, separate the "posers" from the real deal.

The basis of the competition revolves around two(2) matters in contention, the first being whether or not a 2.3 can be put into/made out of a C900, and the second being whether or not I have actually accomplished this feat/currently have such a machine in my possession.

The following is the background commentary that spurred this competition and my response thereto, in otherwords, the challenge and my reply:

Well, let's review...Since you question not only the ability to convert a N/A autoboxed C900 from stock to a 2.3, but also the fact of whether or not I have managed to accomplish this, I say we keep it all in the proper context as that is what is in dispute, what is the root of the contention.

What I'll "run" is the 2.3 converted '87 C900 and you are to locate one of your own to do the 2.3 conversion on then, once you've accomplished this feat, we'll arrange to meet somewhere for a race or two, afterall, you wouldn't want me to show up with a Veyron, Reventon, Enzo or, relatively speaking, a Trevita CCXR (at least it's actually Swedish), either of which would readily spank (HARD!) each and everything you've listed, "wheel standing" or not.

So let's be realistic because it would be unethical, not to mention a blatant display of bad sportsmanship and shallowness of character, to bring a gun to a knife fight.

The rules of this little contest are as follows:

1. The base vehicle must be a '85-'90 model C900

2. It must be N/A

3. The end result must be a 2.3 converted C900 (since it is the opinion of a certain competitor that it is nigh on impossible)

4. It must use the Saab autobox (since this is also considered an impossibility)

5. A NIRA i3+ Engine Management Unit is permissible (since I've one on mine because Jak closed shop due to people screwing him over and I couldn't manage to get the stock one to do what I wanted/needed it to do)

6. It must be a street legal daily driver (as is mine)

7. Other than that you build it your way, as I have built mine my way, but the end result must be conceived, fabricated and implemented by the owner (that means you, Harvey, since an individuals' mechanical aptitude/ability has been called into question), and we'll see (eventually) just whom has their shit together/knows what in the hell they're talking about/can back up their (so-called) online BS smack talking, that is, who is real, or just a poser.

***Oh yeah, since this little competition could potentially appeal to a number of people within the Saab community, anyone and everyone is invited to participate (pass it on). So come on, let's see what you've got/separate the men from the boys/the women from the girls***

*The rules may/will be edited as need be the case/as the situation develops, but that's pretty much it right there so, in closing, the long and short of it is...If you want some, come get some!
You put NIRA on a slushbox 2.0 N/A C900 saab?

What the fuck for?

Also, pictures.
You put NIRA on a slushbox 2.0 N/A C900 saab?

What the fuck for?

Also, pictures.
Yes, actually, I have (just had it sitting around, gathering dust)...Imagine that!

I'll have to decline posting any pictures at this time as, much as I am not inclined to explain to a certain someone how to do it, I also do not wish to show them how to do it, so pics will follow the competition results.

This ought to be FUN, huh?!
Yes, actually, I have (just had it sitting around, gathering dust)...Imagine that!

I'll have to decline posting any pictures at this time as, much as I am not inclined to explain to a certain someone how to do it, I also do not wish to show them how to do it, so pics will follow the competition results.

This ought to be FUN, huh?!
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Yes, actually, I have (just had it sitting around, gathering dust)...Imagine that!

I'll have to decline posting any pictures at this time as, much as I am not inclined to explain to a certain someone how to do it, I also do not wish to show them how to do it, so pics will follow the competition results.

This ought to be FUN, huh?!
Well, it sounds like a self-important flagellation session to me, but you can call it whatever you like.
Well, it sounds like a self-important flagellation session to me, but you can call it whatever you like.
Nah, nah, nah...Dude called me out (even after he admitted to having heard of it being done/possible) and said, essentially, that I didn't know what-in-the-hell I was talking about, that I was full of s**t...They threw down the gauntlet and I've accepted, so now it's on.

You see, I can be just as juvenile as the next person, a facility I've cultivated because Life has taught me that it is sometimes necessary to talk/relate to someone on their level as a means to insure that the ideology/concept/principle you're trying to convey is understood...So let's see just what the "bearded one" can come up with.

Like I've said, 'this ought to be FUN!' (and enlightening as well) :cool:
Just running it on a level they can understand, as defined by them....
Life has taught me that there's more to life than the internet.
So instead of proving EVERYONE wrong, which you could easily do with som pictures or a video, you choose to make other people prove to you that they can not do it?
Therefore you've done the impossible.

Where will this race be held? Mexico would probably be a good place, less strick laws on street racing. I'd like to spectate.
Life has taught me that there's more to life than the internet.
I am, at any given time, interacting with 6 to 8 different websites (sometimes even more), the people within the immediate vicinity, video conferencing, and whatever project I happen to be working on at the time...There is definitely "more to life!"

A musical interlude:

Yes, actually, I have (just had it sitting around, gathering dust)...Imagine that!

I'll have to decline posting any pictures at this time as, much as I am not inclined to explain to a certain someone how to do it, I also do not wish to show them how to do it, so pics will follow the competition results.

This ought to be FUN, huh?!
ricer
So instead of proving EVERYONE wrong, which you could easily do with som pictures or a video, you choose to make other people prove to you that they can not do it?
Therefore you've done the impossible.
It is far more fun and socially engaging this way, plus, it'll cause people to really push the limits of their ingenuity just to make it happen as a C900 to 2.3 conversion has often been bantered about on the forums, from one to another and back again, yet the exploits of those that might have pulled it off are far and few in between, if not altogether non-existent, so it's become something of the "Holy Grail" in the automotive realm of the Saab enthusiast.

Where will this race be held? Mexico would probably be a good place, less strick laws on street racing. I'd like to spectate.
The location has yet to be determined, though I am looking in to scheduling and track availability/prerequisites...Something centrally located that would enable enthusiasts from all over to participate would likely be best for all potential participants, so I'm looking into that/it has yet to be determined.
So let's see just what the "bearded one" can come up with.
Jesus?
No, I am not a "ricer" as I have always owned only European vehicles with the exception of one(1) Subie and one(1) Honda, both of which I enjoyed only a brief partnership with, everything else, though, has been domestic and European.
That Harvey guy.
It is far more fun and socially engaging this way, plus, it'll cause people to really push the limits of their ingenuity just to make it happen as a C900 to 2.3 conversion has often been bantered about on the forums, from one to another and back again, yet the exploits of those that might have pulled it off are far and few in between, if not altogether non-existent, so it's become something of the "Holy Grail" in the automotive realm of the Saab enthusiast
No it hasn't.
Lots of hot air, not much proof of anything. As usual.
Someone's behind the curve...not a 2.3 but a more impressive swap (similar swap).

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That Harvey guy.
I have a beard, hence I am referred to as "the bearded one" around here.
Someone's behind the curve...not a 2.3 but a more impressive swap (similar swap).

I am aware of the car (disassembled and sold off at this point IIRC), yet in order to compete in this challenge, the vehicle in question must be an automatic, N/A with a 2.3 mod.

Come on now, let's see just how much HP one can wring out of these, plus, let's see just what sort of mechanical/technical aptitude everyone has.
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