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I'll believe in global warming when the Hudson River freezes over enough that I can drive across and bypass the $8 toll on the George Washington Bridge.
In what way does this even remotely make sense?
 
It doesn't. See my comments above about the typical rational behind many of the people who write off globalclimatewarmchangecoolingextraveganzaphenomenon.
There is also compelling evidence to the contrary. It is hard to tell what the truth is in todays climate.
 
In summary, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data." :p

Also, I hear a bunch of talk about a scientific conspiracy, and I want anyone who subscribes to this to listen carefully. Scientists hate one another. When anyone one scientist makes a claim, there are at least 10 or more that set out to disprove this claim. So when the scientific community agrees something is happening, it's a pretty good bet that it's for real.

Science does not have an agenda, unlike Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
When scientists are paid-off by large corporations and government entities who are hugely profiting from carbon taxes and carbon credits... scientists become nothing more than marketing sales people, and their scientific data becomes nothing more than marketspeak jargon.

With ANY scientific data, you can include or exclude any number of variables to make the end result show what you want it to show.

Same thing with statistical data.
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Just because 2 datasets are compared on a time chart, it doesn't mean that they are have any actual correlation to each other.

Yes, greenhouse gasses are increasing. Are they increasing due to human industry, or due to other natural causes (like active volcanoes). What percentage of the increase is actually due to human interaction?

Just because the earth got hotter, and greenhouse gasses increased, does that correlate a direct linear relationship between the two? Or are things more complex? Do the scientific equations take the increased solar activity into account?

When there is "global warming" evidence with the icecaps melting on Mars, it begs the question as to whether there is anything that can actually be done here on Earth to stop it?

It is impossible to comprehend and understand the WHOLE picture of what is happening with the climate, it's not as simple as troubleshooting a car (spark, fuel, compression). So no scientist or scientific organization can accurately describe or predict the exact cause or combination of causes, and how things will go, when there are so many uncontrollable variables. Scientific experiment to test their "global climate change" hypothesis is IMPOSSIBLE without proper control groups with 100% duplicatable data.

Since you can't actually know whether ANY scientist (for or against) is correct, all you can do is look at the motivations behind their arguments, and what their solutions are. And when you look deep enough, you can see that there are no actual solutions that are going to SOLVE the warming/climate change problem, they are simply taxes/fees/money making solutions to give the population the illusion that something is being done.
 
In college this past December I went to a meeting for a group called "Sustain Missouri". The leader of the group was a professor/scientist heading the school for atmospheric sciences. He said that yes, the temperatures are rising, but no, things are far from cut and dry about the human cause of that temp rise. There could be thousands of factors at work. I also heard that from Beck/Levin/Hannity/Ingram so it must be true. Raven loves to clump all conservatives together.

That said, we are looking for about 6" of snow here in StL. Yikes! This thread should turn into "how to drive in the snow". I was definitely the guy going 30 mph on the wide open highway last night.
 
Your posts in the past. You often use talk radio hosts to villify or degrade the opinions of all conservatives. Like everybody that thinks one way must only do it because Limbaugh or Beck told them to.
I'm confused, can you point to some examples? I'm pretty sure we're misunderstanding each other here as I don't lump all conservatives in with Beck, just the ones who cite him for anything other than mocking.
 
Whoa, that huge picture is full of backtalk and CYA attitude. And actually doesn't really say anything useful except: "See, we can make graphs and excuses for graphs." I'm not really apt to just take it at face value.

Stating that one form of temperature measurement is fine up until a certain date, then it's useless, and I find the first part on the "Consensus" side to sound a lot like circular reasoning.

All this said, I really just don't buy into all the hype because there are a lot of factors that do contribute to findings.
As stated earlier:
When scientists are paid-off by large corporations and government entities who are hugely profiting from carbon taxes and carbon credits... scientists become nothing more than marketing sales people, and their scientific data becomes nothing more than marketspeak jargon.
I fully believe that this is more the case because scientists need funding from somewhere in order for them to continue research, so where are they going to get it from? You can make data say what you want when it'll benefit you right? Twist a phrase to make yourself or something you're supporting to sound more favorable. Everyone has bias.

I'm not disputing that there is a change due to the increased technology and that there will be an effect on the world, I simply don't believe that it is nearly as significant as the hype would suggest.
 
Your posts in the past. You often use talk radio hosts to villify or degrade the opinions of all conservatives. Like everybody that thinks one way must only do it because Limbaugh or Beck told them to.
Well, when 90% of the conservatives I know parrot that crap all the time, what am I supposed to think? :)
 
I find it humorous that people are more adept to believe a very large group of unrelated people are lying for personal gain instead of independently coming to very similar conclusions.
 
I simply don't believe that it is nearly as significant as the hype would suggest.
That's fine because as stated earlier, we're kind of done for already. We didn't catch it in time. It doesn't seem like of much of something to argue on when its too far to stop already.
 
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That's fine because as stated earlier, we're kind of done for already. We didn't catch it in time. It doesn't seem like of much of something to argue on when its too far to stop already.
^^YUP^^ except that 40 years ago we started worrying about it. We called it "Pollution".
Our cars puke about 1 lb of CO2 every mile X average miles/yr X #US drivers = OMG. + the rest of the world.
Prius .4lb/mile, Subaru Outback .8lb/mile, Dodge Ram Diesel 1.8lb/mile (from Motor Trend issue 1/10)
The damage is done even if we all drive electric cars starting tomorrow. Glad I'm not a polar bear.
So, party like there's no tomorrow. Like the weather channel says, "It could happen tomorrow"
 
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