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Difference between Viggen and stock clutch
Long story short, turns out my pressure plate was damaged when my trans blew up, so the guys at the Autoshop in Appleton put in a new clutch and pressure plate from a 9-3 and threw it back together. When they called me and told me the car was done and that they put the stock stuff in, I became more than a little nervous.
I'm running a TD04 with a JZW tune, and the stock clutch (granted, it had 130-140k on it) didn't like that at all. I'm afraid that since they put the stock stuff in, I'm going to have a problem before too much longer.
Now the guys at the Autoshop have tons of experience working on Saabs. The guy I was talking to (some of you will know Tony) said that the clutch and pressure plate looked exactly the same between my Viggen setup and the regular kit. Also, he said he uses the regular 9-3 clutch when he does Viggens and in their race car. He didn't know of any difference between the Viggen and regular 9-3 clutch, basically.
So what I'm wondering, is what are the differences between a regular 9-3 and a Viggen clutch? They don't look any different...and I am worried that in a year or something I'm going to be pulling out a trans AGAIN for a bad clutch AGAIN.
I'm running a TD04 with a JZW tune, and the stock clutch (granted, it had 130-140k on it) didn't like that at all. I'm afraid that since they put the stock stuff in, I'm going to have a problem before too much longer.
Now the guys at the Autoshop have tons of experience working on Saabs. The guy I was talking to (some of you will know Tony) said that the clutch and pressure plate looked exactly the same between my Viggen setup and the regular kit. Also, he said he uses the regular 9-3 clutch when he does Viggens and in their race car. He didn't know of any difference between the Viggen and regular 9-3 clutch, basically.
So what I'm wondering, is what are the differences between a regular 9-3 and a Viggen clutch? They don't look any different...and I am worried that in a year or something I'm going to be pulling out a trans AGAIN for a bad clutch AGAIN.
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The springs are stiffer/stronger in the viggen kit.
Well, crap.
What do I do if my clutch slips? I wonder what the liability is there...he didn't call to tell me what was going on until the car was already completely back together.
What do I do if my clutch slips? I wonder what the liability is there...he didn't call to tell me what was going on until the car was already completely back together.
if you wanted aftermarket put in, you should have provided the parts.
I didn't think he was gonna take out my Viggen clutch disc and replace it with a stock one, there was nothing wrong with it. The pressure plate was the only clutch part that was damaged when the trans blew up (we didn't realize it was damaged). He said he was going to call me when he found out what the problem was, but he didn't call until it was all back together, and he had put a stock clutch kit in.if you wanted aftermarket put in, you should have provided the parts.
You can fight it, if you want to go through the hassle, but if an agreement was made for a phone call, and he did things anyway, you can claim for unwanted repairs, making you non-liable for paying. Not sure exactly how the system works, I am no lawyer, but my friend recently went through a similar process.I didn't think he was gonna take out my Viggen clutch disc and replace it with a stock one, there was nothing wrong with it. The pressure plate was the only clutch part that was damaged when the trans blew up (we didn't realize it was damaged). He said he was going to call me when he found out what the problem was, but he didn't call until it was all back together, and he had put a stock clutch kit in.
But like viggenkid said, most garages will say if you want aftermarket, then you are to supply the parts.
Yeah...I don't want to be a jerk to them, as they are quite helpful, but this could be a costly mistake. The shop originally thought that I had installed the clutch disc backwards, so there was no reason to be thinking about aftermarket parts. If they would have called me and let me know what they found when it was apart, I would have definitely told them to NOT put in a stock clutch disc, just to leave the disc alone and replace the pressure plate.You can fight it, if you want to go through the hassle, but if an agreement was made for a phone call, and he did things anyway, you can claim for unwanted repairs, making you non-liable for paying. Not sure exactly how the system works, I am no lawyer, but my friend recently went through a similar process.
But like viggenkid said, most garages will say if you want aftermarket, then you are to supply the parts.
did you get a writen estimate? in my state if they did not give you a writin estimate and you did not sign a copy of it then they cant do the repairs and expect you to pay... a viggen clutch is not aftermarket part so therefor this saab repair shop could handle it them self... they never called you to ask i would speak with them about this
did you tell them to just fix what was wrong and let you know what you owe or what
did you tell them to just fix what was wrong and let you know what you owe or what
Is your car a viggen? If not they were just replacing the part/s with 9-3 (non-viggen)parts
I don't know if that rule applies in WI...I have never signed a written estimate for any auto work I've had done.did you get a writen estimate? in my state if they did not give you a writin estimate and you did not sign a copy of it then they cant do the repairs and expect you to pay... a viggen clutch is not aftermarket part so therefor this saab repair shop could handle it them self... they never called you to ask i would speak with them about this
did you tell them to just fix what was wrong and let you know what you owe or what
The mechanic told me he would let me know what the problem(s) was before replacing anything, if there were going to be any new parts involved.
My car is not a Viggen. The whole thing about this problem is that no one thought any part of the clutch was bad...they thought I installed a clutch disc backwards. The only damaged part the shop found was the pressure plate. But instead of the replacing the pressure plate, they also replaced the clutch disc. And they didn't tell me any of this until the car was completely re-assembled.
Also, I've got an email out to Nick to see how long he thinks a stock 9-3 clutch will last in a stg 3+/4 car. If it is fine for at least a couple years I won't worry about it too much I guess.
Does anyone here have any experience with a stock clutch in a 280-ish hp/ft lb car?
Does anyone here have any experience with a stock clutch in a 280-ish hp/ft lb car?
The plot thickens...
Compare this picture of the "Viggen" clutch coming out of my car:
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to what Paul posted.
Certainly looks a little different...can't really tell how the springs look, but all the rivet-looking circles that surround the springs, which are visible on the regular 9-3 clutch, but not on the Viggen one. Now I'm thinking the place I got the Viggen clutch kit from didn't really give me a Viggen clutch kit.
If this is true, the good news is that the clutch was holding the power fine (at least it was for four months so far). But now I have to try and find out if I can get money back from the place I bought the "Viggen" clutch kit from...seems unlikely.
Compare this picture of the "Viggen" clutch coming out of my car:
to what Paul posted.
Certainly looks a little different...can't really tell how the springs look, but all the rivet-looking circles that surround the springs, which are visible on the regular 9-3 clutch, but not on the Viggen one. Now I'm thinking the place I got the Viggen clutch kit from didn't really give me a Viggen clutch kit.
If this is true, the good news is that the clutch was holding the power fine (at least it was for four months so far). But now I have to try and find out if I can get money back from the place I bought the "Viggen" clutch kit from...seems unlikely.
In those eEuro screenshots of the two clutches, one is viewing the 'front' of the disc, and one is viewing the 'back' - flip yours over.
There also might be Sachs part number info, sometimes it's printed (not stamped) near the input spline.
Best,
Drew
Best,
Drew
There also might be Sachs part number info, sometimes it's printed (not stamped) near the input spline.
Best,
Drew
Best,
Drew
Get a partnumber off the disk....
Hmm. Well i'm leaving in an hour to go pick up the car, and I'll see what the p/n is. So basically, there isn't really a visible difference between the two then? Except maybe the color of the clutch springs?
I'm not sure what to tell the guy at the shop at this point. I hate this stuff.
I'm not sure what to tell the guy at the shop at this point. I hate this stuff.
viggen clutch part# 51 74 933
se clutch part# 51 74 966
viggen pressure plate# 50 23 718
se pressure plate# 53 37 589
se clutch part# 51 74 966
viggen pressure plate# 50 23 718
se pressure plate# 53 37 589
The Sachs pressure plate usually only has the Sachs manufacturing stamps on it, like MP 202 or something like that, it may not have the SAAB part numbers anywhere on it, sometimes it's only on the box.
Best,
Drew
Best,
Drew
Haven't gotten a chance to check part numbers, etc. yet.
Car shifts great, but there's a new boost leak apparently and the throttle cable is sticking or something causing the rpms to shoot up to around 6k if I'm giving it heavier throttle at higher revs.
Car shifts great, but there's a new boost leak apparently and the throttle cable is sticking or something causing the rpms to shoot up to around 6k if I'm giving it heavier throttle at higher revs.
If it did not do this before the clutch job, then this is when you bring it back and have them fix it.Haven't gotten a chance to check part numbers, etc. yet.
Car shifts great, but there's a new boost leak apparently and the throttle cable is sticking or something causing the rpms to shoot up to around 6k if I'm giving it heavier throttle at higher revs.
I wonder if they took your viggen disc and put it in their race car?
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