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umm at dyno day sunday one put down like 120 or 140 horsepower....and they are heavy......so they are slow.. a 1.8t put down about 330 whp which was pretty cool
 

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a stock VR6 has got nothing, but a nicely moded one with much time put into it could probable dust a lightly modded Saab. But stock to stock it would be close ;)

1997 VW VR6
SAE Net Horsepower: 172 @ 5800
SAE Net Torque (lb ft): 173 @ 4200

2003 VW VR6
Horsepower (SAE) @ rpm 200 @ 5800 (128 kW @ 5800)
Max. Torque, lbs-ft @ rpm 195 @ 3200 (245 Nm @ 3200)
 

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Vr6 is nothing special...

GM 1997 3400 V6 -
SAE Net Horsepower: 180 @ 4800
SAE Net Torque (lb ft): 192 @ 3000

1990!! 3.1 liter V6 (came in cavaliers, sunbirds / base model grand prix, etc)

SAE Net Horsepower: 140 @ 5000
SAE Net Torque (lb ft): 185 @ 3600

So as you see, we are not dealing with power houses here ;) only thing they have in their favor is the fact the cars are un-safe (super low weight). This makes for very fair performance with a 170 HP engine. kind of like sticking a turbo an a Daewoo! (yes, people do that... :lol: )
 

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Wouldn't be much of a race against a Viggen. :twisted: *insert evil snicker here*

Adrian~
 

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DeLorean said:
Vr6 is nothing special...
The vr6 isn't astounding power-wise, but that's not what VW was after. They wanted a 6 cylinder engine that would fit in the same space as their current 4 cylinder engines would fit in, and with that they succeeded wonderfully.

Power wise, it's a decent motor. Not mind-boggling but definitely not pokey. Packaging wise, it's an engineering marvel. It's come a long way since it's debut in 1992 and had several variations by now:

12v 2.8 litre 178 hp in Corrado SLC (US spec)
12v 2.8 litre 172hp in A3's, B3's and B4's
12v 2.9 litre 190 hp in a handful of euro-only models
12v 2.8 litre MkIV 172 hp with variable intake geometry
24v 2.8 litre late MkIV 200 hp
24v 3.2 litre R32 240 hp
24v 3.2 litre TT V6 250 hp
Various versions of 24v 3.2 motor in the Touraeg and upcoming Cayenne V6

And, VW has big plans for the future. 3.4 - 3.6 litre versions in N/A form, and an FSI 3.2 litre version. Also, they're considering a twin turbo 3.2 litre as well.

Like any N/A motor tuning is a loosing game IMHO. It's hard to get the common 12v versions over 200 whp without either forced induction or crazy, crazy internal mods (like big valve head, crazy porting, stroking and boring it waaay out, etc) And those options are expensive of course.

But, IMHO, it makes a great commuter motor if you just want something to buy and drive.
 

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Yeah I raced one last night. My friend has a Golf GTI VR6 1998. We did it on a dead street coming back from playing tennis. When I we took off I totally messed up and he was already a car length ahead of me by the time I got into second. When I was in third I was gaining on him and then in forth I passed him. I got up to 85 and by that time I was about 2 car lengths ahead of him. So yeah that just shows how slow that car is, even on a shity start like mine. Both of our cars were stock.
 
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