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Old 09-02-2008, 04:47 PM   #41
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Another SOC in New England? I feel that this year was a flop compared to the others that had been held at ski resorts/other sites. The demographic (being a massive amount of saabs in the "area") should had brought hundreds of more sabbers in to the SOC 08. What went wrong? If we can change/solve the problem we might draw more interest. The dissapointment level was high.
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Old 09-02-2008, 05:09 PM   #42
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Bring it Back to Hershey PA - Amusement Park and Chocolate! Plus lots of parking room in one large lot and field!
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Old 09-02-2008, 05:48 PM   #43
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That's actually not a bad idea. They certainly have the parking lot for it, although how that connects to the hotel space would be an issue.

We could also go up north to Brainerd and BIR.
AS MNSaab club pres. i think u could get this done
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Wasn't there for this one;

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Old 09-03-2008, 09:34 AM   #45
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Wasn't there for this one;




but, x2!
neither was I - I was still new into Saabs and that was the FIRST owners convention we heard about - and once DeLorean and I saw how much it cost we both were like F' That!
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:43 AM   #46
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neither was I - I was still new into Saabs and that was the FIRST owners convention we heard about - and once DeLorean and I saw how much it cost we both were like F' That!
And that's a big turn off for a lot of people.

If there was a way to get some good stuff in there for people who don't want to spend a ton it would be great. Obviously people who are making a long haul will be more willing to spend a bit extra on the facny swanky ultra exclusive dinners and such, but it would be neat to have a more bare bones package for people who want to bring their shined up saab and park it with the others. Maybe some sort of registration that allows that, but they are not eligable for awards, kind of just showing for fun...but still welcome to show.
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Le sigh.

I know a lot of the fellers here probably don't spend much time at spas, resorts or other vacation/recreation destinations but I tend to write about them regularly at the paper where I work. I bring this up because they tend to have a "menu" of services as well as "packages" (yeah, I typed "packages") of services they offer. I think this could applied to SOCs like so:

1. Lot Lizard (basic package for $XX)
Event parking/judging/voting
T-shirt/nifty bag o'Saab treats.
Parts tent admission (which is bullshit, by the way, since cooks from the hotel staff were popping in to buy stainless steel cleaner and leather conditioner.)
NO meals (but option to buy-in for awards banquet if desired)
NO lodging.

2. Pilot in training ($XX+$100-$150)
Event parking/judging/voting
T-shirt/nifty bag o'Saab treats.
Parts tent admission
Admission to one event (tour/road course/poker run, etc.)
Awards banquet meal ONLY.
On-site lodging

3. Jet setter ($XX+$200-$250)
Everything. All meals. All lodging. Choice of two paid events and maybe some lagniappe, like a private breakfast or meeting with Steve Shannon.

Go for it, kids. Tear it apart.

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Old 09-03-2008, 11:01 AM   #49
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I live in MA and I did not bother to drive to SOC. The location was bad, right on the air force base!? Also cops every ware so there go some speeding. The prices as well, I don't feel like paying to sleep I want to camp out.

The only SOC that I went to was in VT and it was amazing, I had the best time of my life met soo many new faces and all day long saabs were buzzing around the town. Everybody was just taking runs in the back road no cops it was a great time. Also everybody was so new there were no clicks at all, SQR and Nordic were just getting into the scene. I think at the time my car was the only one with a Nordic tune that I know of. I think nick was selling BSR. Time trials were in place and also Yankton from cali even showed up. For me this set the level of what i expected every SOC to be like from here on out.

Carlisle is always fun because we can camp out, itís a fun ride. I thought there was going to be a track day at this SOC but nothing. It sounded lame so I figured I would not spend my sunny afternoon there.

The next SOC there should be autox, give people the option of no forcing them to rent a hotel to go.

Aireeca said it exactly. The people need an option and with SOC it was shell out lots of money or don't go. More of my friends around here with Saab go to the small meets and non of us waned to go to SOC because of that reason, granted we all drove up to carslile because its always a great time and we like making the effort. The amount of Saabs is the NE area is crazy and this was such a poor turn out something went wrong.
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:07 AM   #50
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:16 AM   #51
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How about California?

San Diego SOC... that would be great.
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It seems it has been a little while since anyone chimed in about Atlanta again. Besides that there are a ton of small racetracks down here in the south that could easily host a low-cost event. Just my $.02
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We should have it in Canada.
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We should have it in Canada.
Canada...they have beer and the women are bundled up.
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Old 09-03-2008, 07:03 PM   #55
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Lime Rock would be like renting Mid-Ohio. $25,000 PER DAY to rent out!!!

Putnam Park over at Indy is about $14,000 for 2 days....

Waterford Hills in Detroit was enough that we just about broke even at the convention. I think it was $4K or something like that
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GM, not to get too personal or anything...is there a way to get a peek into just how much a convention costs to run?

Clearly, some of our eyebrows went up at Devens when the hastily-distributed agenda showed a SCNA balance of more than $60K. But there were no numbers available (sigh, transparency) to show us just how much of the convention had been paid for by the club/members. I think such information would help everyone understand the situation a lot better.
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GM, not to get too personal or anything...is there a way to get a peek into just how much a convention costs to run?

Clearly, some of our eyebrows went up at Devens when the hastily-distributed agenda showed a SCNA balance of more than $60K. But there were no numbers available (sigh, transparency) to show us just how much of the convention had been paid for by the club/members. I think such information would help everyone understand the situation a lot better.
Totally agree on that one. I too wonder how much of a profit was made this year.

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Totally agree on that one. I too wonder how much of a profit was made this year.
I was just thinking about this, too. The dissemination of information from SCNA is weak at best. (I also tried posting my pricing suggestion at the TSN SOC board but, apparently, I've been banned from posting in that forum. Odd.)

Still, if I'm buying a concert ticket, say, I may wonder about who is getting what cut of the action, but the seller is under no obligation to tell me that information.

As members of SCNA, and everyone who bought even the lowly day pass had to up for a trial membership at best, we are entitled to that information. They weren't even going to hand out meeting agendas at the annual meeting at Devens until I pressed it.

The current account balance, though, is somewhat inflated because of Mark Fails repaying the money he took from the SCNA accounts. Apparently, he's paid back about $17K and is due to make another $5K, and final, payment soon.
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We should have it in Canada.

There are 2 problems with this suggestion (I've heard it a lot ) ...

1) SOC is a SCNA event and the Canadian Saab club is not part of that organization.

2) the Canadian club does not have the resources to be able to plan and host an event of this size.

I wish the latter weren't true. I have a hard enough time getting help to keep the club running (most of the folks involved with that have been doing it for a long time).

As for the first point, our club is sort of like SCNA is for the US. We've been around for a very long time (it started 2 years after Saab came to Canada) and I don't see us changing who and what we are at this point in our history to join the bigger SCNA.

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Old 09-04-2008, 08:12 AM   #60
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If I understand correctly SCNA should be able to produce balance sheets on what the money is spend on. My understanding that they they are a non-profit, correct?

I'm pretty sure people were getting into this about our local Saab Club and what the dues money was being used for. Maybe Greg can chime in a bit about how this stuff works for these types of clubs.
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