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Old 10-13-2014, 08:15 AM   #1
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What is wrong with my clutch?

Hey guys,

I've been spoiled to drive an evo the past couple weeks, and just got back into driving my viggen. There is something that is off, the clutch pedal has no travel and probably about an inch or less travel to the floor.

There also seems to be no pressure in the pedal, and the clutch engages off the floor. My buddy keeps mentioning its the slave cylinder, but he usually doesn't know what hes talking about.

What should I look for or what needs to be replaced? Could it be my clutch itself? The clutch is slipping pretty bad, it was bearable throughout the years, but it slips every time now.

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Old 10-13-2014, 10:41 AM   #2
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I just went through this debacle and it was the slave.
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900 or 93? The 900 has a clutch cable and the 93 has a hydro clutch.
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It's for a 9-3..

How much was the slave? And what's the difference between cable and hydro?

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You should take this to a shop.

Not to sound like a jackass, but you don't know enough to diagnose this on the internet.
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It's for a 9-3..

How much was the slave? And what's the difference between cable and hydro?

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The slave is the cheap part compared to the fact that you will have to drop the tranny to put it in. At that point you might as well get a clutch kit so if a shop is doing it, 1g, give or take. Bring to Saab shop and have them take a look at it.
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Could just be worn. If the slave is shot, that will have no bearing on whether or not the wear surfaces are adequate. If the slave were shot, the pedal would not come off the floor, or you wouldn't be able to get it into gear without grinding. Check your fluid level, if it's low, then the slave or master is shot in all probability. The master cylinder will piss fluid in the drivers footwell, and the slave will typically ooze out near the bell housing, under the car. When mine failed, I had some sort of internal leak, where not fluid was escaping into the bellhousing, but air was getting into the system, and as such, my clutch pedal would stick the floor.
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Old 10-15-2014, 12:06 PM   #8
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You should take this to a shop.

Not to sound like a jackass, but you don't know enough to diagnose this on the internet.
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The slave is the cheap part compared to the fact that you will have to drop the tranny to put it in. At that point you might as well get a clutch kit so if a shop is doing it, 1g, give or take. Bring to Saab shop and have them take a look at it.
Wow 1000$? thats like half the price of my car.. (99 viggen w/ 250k+ miles)

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Could just be worn. If the slave is shot, that will have no bearing on whether or not the wear surfaces are adequate. If the slave were shot, the pedal would not come off the floor, or you wouldn't be able to get it into gear without grinding. Check your fluid level, if it's low, then the slave or master is shot in all probability. The master cylinder will piss fluid in the drivers footwell, and the slave will typically ooze out near the bell housing, under the car. When mine failed, I had some sort of internal leak, where not fluid was escaping into the bellhousing, but air was getting into the system, and as such, my clutch pedal would stick the floor.
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I don't see any fluid coming from under the car or inside, is it possible I just bleed the clutch? The pedal is about an inch max from the floor, theres literally no pressure when pressing in the clutch.
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Old 10-15-2014, 01:34 PM   #9
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Bleeding it might help. If one of the cylinders is bad then it will go back to what it's doing now, but start there.
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All of those just sound like the characteristics of the viggen clutch and pressure plate, except for a lack of pressure effort

Why would you want more travel and for a high engagement though? I hate when cars have huge pedal travel and dead space until engagement of the clutch.

If it's slipping take it to a shop and replace it, when the transmission is out the slave cylinder is easy to inspect.
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All of those just sound like the characteristics of the viggen clutch and pressure plate, except for a lack of pressure effort

Why would you want more travel and for a high engagement though? I hate when cars have huge pedal travel and dead space until engagement of the clutch.

If it's slipping take it to a shop and replace it, when the transmission is out the slave cylinder is easy to inspect.
Well I believe proper clutch adjustment is necessary in order for the slave and master cylinders to be working effectively.

Some reason I can't embed the video, but something along the lines of this

I know its not for a Saab, but I believe the same steps apply.

I do like the engagement lower, I no longer buck the car shifting from 2-5, but overall there is something way off with the clutch pedal, it shouldn't be this low, and it shouldn't feel like there is no pressure in the clutch pedal.

I haven't had the time to actually look at the clutch pedal due to work, but I'll get to it sometime this weekend.
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This is in all likelihood in your head. If the car shifts okay, and the clutch actually returns to full height, then nothing is wrong with your system. You said it slips badly; I vote its worn.
Saabs have hydraulic clutches, which are smooth and pretty light compared to a lot of the shit out there.
Again, if the pedal returns okay, and you can shift okay, then that's the way your car is.
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Old 10-18-2014, 08:49 AM   #13
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I drove another viggen recently w 90k miles, and it felt great. Mine does not feel the same.

The ckutch should not be engaging off the floor.


Kind of off topic but does anyone know where I can source a used tranny? Is the tranny in the viggen the same as the trannies in the 99-2002 viggen a and og 9-3s? Also my brakes are shot could that be the reason for the ckutch? (My buddy was saying that the two go hand in hand)
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They share the same reservoir but there is a separation in it. So make sure its at the proper level or the clutch starts sucking air.

Viggen transmission is viggen specific. It is an OG9-3 transmission with a 9-5 carrier to support the viggen specific larger axles.
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