I need a cad drawing of a b2x4 engine bellhousing - The Saab Link Forums

Go Back   The Saab Link Forums > Saab NG900 '94-'98 and 9-3 '99-'02 Forum > Performance Modifications for the NG900 / Old 9-3

Performance Modifications for the NG900 / Old 9-3 This forum contains PERFORMANCE related Q&A's for the NG900 and 9-3. This may also include suspension.

SaabLink.net is the premier Saab Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-03-2013, 08:26 PM   #1
TSLMember
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 26
I need a cad drawing of a b2x4 engine bellhousing

well, pretty much what the title says, i will buy it from you if its accurate and correct.

Callen
Sluice Box Hero is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 04-03-2013, 08:35 PM   #2
Flirting With TSL Addiction
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 579
To be done correctly, someone would have to get the physical draft of the housing, in other words, the factory blue-print, or, they'd have to go get a free box and take many, many, very precise measurements. Major PITA. I have the software and could do it for you in a a couple of weeks if you can wait. I'd need the measurements--at least the bolt-hole sizes and spacing and depth and some exterior stuff, also distance from input shaft to bolt holes. The reason for all of this is that it needs to be constrained.
-Cm
__________________
T5 Suite Stg GpopT28, Deka 630's, Walbro 255LPH, 3 bar MAP @ 1.92Bar, W/M, Stg2 clutch, full suspension/bushes, 308mm brake upgrade, 3" turbo-back, big-azz FMIC &Oil-cooler, and fwdlol diapers.
Cm452 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-04-2013, 06:19 PM   #3
TSLMember
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 26
where are you located?
Sluice Box Hero is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-04-2013, 08:13 PM   #4
Flirting With TSL Addiction
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 579
Boston. I'd honestly look elsewhere if you need it badly. My incentive for doing it is purely a heuristic one, as I've gotten foggy with solidworks since I passed the test for it...
In other words, I'd do it for shits and giggles just to see if I could and as a cool project, and not for hire. Money makes people pissy.
-Cm
__________________
T5 Suite Stg GpopT28, Deka 630's, Walbro 255LPH, 3 bar MAP @ 1.92Bar, W/M, Stg2 clutch, full suspension/bushes, 308mm brake upgrade, 3" turbo-back, big-azz FMIC &Oil-cooler, and fwdlol diapers.
Cm452 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 07:21 AM   #5
Elder
 
jssaab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,927
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cm452 View Post
... Money makes people pissy.
-Cm
New Sig right there...
jssaab is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 01:48 PM   #6
TSLMember
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 26
well, i can send you a toyota bellhousing, and i can gut a saab tranny. shipping would suck though.
Sluice Box Hero is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 02:46 PM   #7
Live, eat, and sleep by TSL
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Appleton, WI
Posts: 1,665
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluice Box Hero View Post
well, pretty much what the title says, i will buy it from you if its accurate and correct.

Callen
What's your budget for this project?


Sent from AutoGuide.com App
__________________
Used Saab Parts:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

'91 9000CD Turbo, Auto, Iridium Blue
'91 9000T, 5MT, Tally Red (No-Start Project)
'92 9000T, 5MT, Black
'04 9-5 Wagon, Auto, Nocturne Blue
dantinne is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 05:43 PM   #8
Elder
 
VI009DZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Vermont
Posts: 3,403
Go on saabnet and look for DickT. Dick Thodal. His son did a Lemons car with a B234 in an RX7. He built an adapter plate and may have this. Email him through saabnet.
__________________
-adam
VI009DZ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-06-2013, 03:48 AM   #9
Elder
 
Drew in Houston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: PA/MD
Posts: 2,430
Rather than take a million measurement by hand, the easire way to reverse engineer something in 2013 would be to find someone who has access to one of these: Measuring arm FaroArm - Innovative portable measurement solution

Related, I'm working on a project to bolt a Tremec TR-6060 to a B235R.

The research I've done so far indicates that the Solstice/Sky/Ion and Colorado seem to use what's called an MA5 housing which *might* bolt straight to a B2x5. Do the B2x5 and B2x4 share the same pattern? I'm under the impression that they do but I don't know that for a fact either.

It looks like you're trying to get to a unit in a Toyota, what about just using an Ion/Colorado trans? They're cheap. Don't know how much they'll hold though..

I have access to an arm btw but you're not very close to me.
__________________
Co-Founder:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
First T7 19T turbo setup. First T7 Deka 80lb. injector setup.

Last edited by Drew in Houston; 04-06-2013 at 03:53 AM.
Drew in Houston is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-06-2013, 04:58 AM   #10
Flirting With TSL Addiction
 
1995BlueBeast's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Southern Georgia
Posts: 610
Are you trying to put a saab engine in a RWD car? Have you checked these guys out? Little expensive but all the hard work is done already.

Vauxhall 2.0XE Engine to Borg Warner T5 - Bellhousings - Vauxhall 2.0XE Engine to Borg Warner T5 Bellhousing - RWD Motorsport
__________________
1995 900 SE Black on Black Coupe RIP 4/22/12
2002 9-3 Viggen Convertible Black on Tan
2000 9-3 Viggen Sedan Silver on Black
1995BlueBeast is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-06-2013, 05:37 AM   #11
Elder
 
Drew in Houston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: PA/MD
Posts: 2,430
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1995BlueBeast View Post
Are you trying to put a saab engine in a RWD car? Have you checked these guys out? Little expensive but all the hard work is done already.

Vauxhall 2.0XE Engine to Borg Warner T5 - Bellhousings - Vauxhall 2.0XE Engine to Borg Warner T5 Bellhousing - RWD Motorsport
Don't know about the OP but I am doing a RWD setup, thanks for the link! I was planning for a Tremec T56 Magnum or TR-6060 with a hydraulic clutch, but a beefed-up T5 might do it, hmm..
__________________
Co-Founder:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
First T7 19T turbo setup. First T7 Deka 80lb. injector setup.
Drew in Houston is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-06-2013, 04:43 PM   #12
Elder
 
turbojohnny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Orchard Park, ny
Posts: 3,884
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew in Houston View Post
Don't know about the OP but I am doing a RWD setup, thanks for the link! I was planning for a Tremec T56 Magnum or TR-6060 with a hydraulic clutch, but a beefed-up T5 might do it, hmm..
The t56 magnum and tr6060 seem a bit overkill of a transmission to use on a Saab motor. A regular t56 is good for between 400-500whp

A stock t5 is even good for up to about 300hp. What are you planning?

Also, I've looked at a bellhousing for a solstice trans, it doesn't even look close to a b2x4/5 bolt pattern, yes they are the same pattern.

Last edited by turbojohnny; 04-06-2013 at 04:47 PM.
turbojohnny is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-06-2013, 06:28 PM   #13
Elder
 
Drew in Houston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: PA/MD
Posts: 2,430
Nah, regular T56's are rated for less than that. Not saying that guys don't run that much through them, but I'm planning to abuse this transmission, and the TR-6060 is a world class transmisison that's better. Going the Magnum route would be a compromise.

I'm building a daily driver pump gas 450-500whp, 7200+ RPM, 35+ highway mpg, in a 1993 FD RX7; everything's going to work. No one makes the car that I want to drive so I'm going to build it myself. I'm tired of screwing around with the rotary and having the car sit in the garage.

There are mounting kits for FD's to bolt a Tremec straight in; I just have to figure out the engine side.

If you're interested in getting involved/helping let me know. I'll purchase the stuff and we can share rights to any designs, etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by turbojohnny View Post
The t56 magnum and tr6060 seem a bit overkill of a transmission to use on a Saab motor. A regular t56 is good for between 400-500whp

A stock t5 is even good for up to about 300hp. What are you planning?

Also, I've looked at a bellhousing for a solstice trans, it doesn't even look close to a b2x4/5 bolt pattern, yes they are the same pattern.
__________________
Co-Founder:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
First T7 19T turbo setup. First T7 Deka 80lb. injector setup.

Last edited by Drew in Houston; 04-06-2013 at 06:32 PM.
Drew in Houston is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-07-2013, 12:06 PM   #14
Flirting With TSL Addiction
 
1995BlueBeast's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Southern Georgia
Posts: 610
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew in Houston View Post
Don't know about the OP but I am doing a RWD setup, thanks for the link! I was planning for a Tremec T56 Magnum or TR-6060 with a hydraulic clutch, but a beefed-up T5 might do it, hmm..
They make T5 transmissions which should handle the power you want to put through them. The below link shows a setup for a miata Mike D wanted to do which should help with your work.

Saab b234 - MX-5 Miata Forum
__________________
1995 900 SE Black on Black Coupe RIP 4/22/12
2002 9-3 Viggen Convertible Black on Tan
2000 9-3 Viggen Sedan Silver on Black
1995BlueBeast is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-07-2013, 06:41 PM   #15
Flirting With TSL Addiction
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Oconomowoc, WI
Posts: 941
Send a message via AIM to Slow Joe Send a message via Yahoo to Slow Joe
The T5 is a great transmission. There are TONS of Mustang guys putting a lot of power through stock boxes. The T5/T45 used in those cars is a pretty stout box. I had a '04 Mach 1 with 310hp (stock) with a T45... Great transmission, took the abuse and kept on going without issue or mishaps.
__________________
Thanks,
Joe Reichard
10 Saabs
1 Mercedes
Complete Addict.
Slow Joe is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-08-2013, 02:48 AM   #16
Live, eat, and sleep by TSL
 
Harvey's Autohaus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: baltimore
Posts: 1,643
Much faster this way, Call gearboxman in UK, "RWD Motorsports" I got the first one in the USA but "Wildsaabman" was the first one to get it in a vehicle "Jeep" The ford SVO 4cyl clutch plate for turbo aplications matches the T5 trans & fits the saab flywheel & pressure plate.





__________________
HakbarSAABzzz
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
You can only buy what is sold to you.

Last edited by Harvey's Autohaus; 04-08-2013 at 02:58 AM.
Harvey's Autohaus is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-08-2013, 03:34 AM   #17
Elder
 
VI009DZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Vermont
Posts: 3,403
Price on said bellhousing from gearboxman? That's a beautiful thing right there.
__________________
-adam
VI009DZ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-08-2013, 06:00 AM   #18
Elder
 
Drew in Houston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: PA/MD
Posts: 2,430
On the T5, is there a 6 speed version? Besides strength, easy shifting, short throws, etc.., other motivators for a TR-6060 are the nice gear ratios to make a medium/large turbo drivable and fast but still have a nice long overdrive gear for cruising.

I'm building a car that I'll be driving 90 miles a day 5 days a week and I'm serious about the 35+ mpg. FD's are light and fairly slippery, with enough gear, 35 mpg cruise should be no problem at all.

I also want to flat shift it at the track and not have to wait for any spool between shifts.
__________________
Co-Founder:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
First T7 19T turbo setup. First T7 Deka 80lb. injector setup.
Drew in Houston is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-08-2013, 05:08 PM   #19
Elder
 
Drew in Houston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: PA/MD
Posts: 2,430
Well. Maybe it was devine, but I checked ebay during lunch today and found this: 2007 2012 Shelby Mustang GT500 Transmission TR6060 Six Speed Twin Disc Clutch | eBay

I'll drill it out so that it will fit with a little help from an a-dapter kit; I think I can make it work. So I bought it lol
__________________
Co-Founder:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
First T7 19T turbo setup. First T7 Deka 80lb. injector setup.

Last edited by Drew in Houston; 04-08-2013 at 05:15 PM.
Drew in Houston is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-08-2013, 07:27 PM   #20
TSLMember
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 26
im building an Ultra4 car. its going to be a B2x4 to a ford C4 to an Atlas transfercase in a rear engine buggy.

ive determined a way to make my adapter using some machined pucks and transfer punches.

the ecotec engine in the solstice, colorado, ion etc are no where near correct for a B2x4/b2x5 engine.
Sluice Box Hero is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Saab Link Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Vehicle Info.
Enter your vehicle information (year, model, mods)
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
All content is copyright The Saab Link and it's original authors.


 

Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.