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Old 12-08-2012, 03:49 PM   #1
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how hard can it be

Hi guys, thank you for stopping by.

I have a '94 V6 in super mint, she's my babe.
a few days ago i got a '96 Se with the same low mileage (200000km) for the perfect black seats. Mine has beige.

The Se is manual. The question is, before I call the scrap guys to take it away;

how hard would it be to swap the 2.0 into the 2.5 car.
I have time, and a DD.

As much as I like the uniqueness of the 2.5, the idea of a 2.0 tuned turbo does titelate me.

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Old 12-08-2012, 04:40 PM   #2
 
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it's very doable if you have a complete donor car. You'll need the full wiring harness, ECU and various sensors and engine mounts from the donor car, as well as the downpipe and its two O2 sensor bungs.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:01 PM   #3
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yeah, very possible. youll just need time and paitience.

other than that with a full donor car you can do it.

make sure that when you swap the motor etc you put the car into stage zero nic. then youll be all set for tuning.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:50 PM   #4
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phew,

that's a relief. I asked someone and he said its a week's work $3K>

I would like to pull the T5, rebuild it then have it transferred it into the 2.5

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Old 12-08-2012, 08:22 PM   #5
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no its probably a weeks work, taking both motors out swapping wiring harnesses , rebuilding 2.0 , then putting it back in the car, tuning , tweeking , testing sounds like atleast 40 hours to me and probably tools i dont own, sounds like a fun project but if i had to pay somebody to do the work id buy a turbo car they are not that much and then take some of the that extra cash and buy some cool stuff for it
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no its probably a weeks work, taking both motors out swapping wiring harnesses , rebuilding 2.0 , then putting it back in the car, tuning , tweeking , testing sounds like atleast 40 hours to me and probably tools i dont own, sounds like a fun project but if i had to pay somebody to do the work id buy a turbo car they are not that much and then take some of the that extra cash and buy some cool stuff for it
I can tell you this, rebuilding the engine itself will be more than a weeks worth of work. (maybe not hour wise, but in actual time)

Swapping it over should be pretty straight forward, remove from car #1 place in car #2.

If you're paying someone to do it, sell the Turbo car on CL (don't scrap it), then sell your 2.5 Car and buy a turbo car. Just my .02.

If you're doing it yourself, get everything ready from the turbo car, then once it's all gathered start swapping it into the 2.5 car. Depending the years and what not I'd save the subframe/half shafts/brakes, etc for spares and just in case you need them (I don't know the differences between the Turbo and 2.5L Cars off the top of my head).

With this kind of project I'd pull the oil pan on the 2.0L engine first to make sure that it's not sludged out and that there isn't an excessive amount of metal in it prior to investing all the time and energy.

From there if you're good to go you can either leave it alone, change out the bearings and run it, or rebuild it depending on your goals.

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Tranny in your v6 will not bolt up to a 4cyl. Not sure what you were planning for the tranny, seemed worth mentioning
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:33 PM   #8
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thank you all.

I probably understand all, who suggests of getting rid of the car A/B and get one decent.
I will never get rid of my 2.5. There is not a scratch, dent or non-functioning device on the car.
However, having invested in new belts, pumps and other stuff this summer, it still sounds rough every time i start it in my heated garage. Once a week?

The 2.0L had great power when I drove it.
I would like to gradually, totally rebuild the 2.0L and re-use it in the 2,5.
If it takes me a year, the better it is...

There is a valid point though, that the 2.5 is auto, while the 2.0L is manual.
Which ECU I need at this point?
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You wanted a manual car anyway, right?
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Sounds like a big job to me.

I don't think I'd tackle it ,Way too much stuff'in around for my liking.
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I did something similar to this a few years back, 91 900S,auto,non turbo to 5 speed turbo. I would NEVER do it again. I ended up needing the wire harness from tail light to head light from a doner car doner car. Every time I thought I was making progress something else decided to be differant. Lucky for me I had a junk yard handy for all the differances. Like some have said, if you want turbo, buy turbo!
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asking me to sell my 2.5 is like asking me to sell my firstborn.
No matter how stupid he may be, or awkward to work on the 2.5 stays.

I would also listen to anyone who have suggestions beefing up the 2.5, but then, everyone say I should buy a Turbo....

I can keep the T5 and remove bits as it goes, or soup up the V6- I am listening- and can still enjoy the wife's SE..

Yes I wouldn't mind to have a standard car again.

Thanks good people, skool me please
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What is "Shit that could be said on the 9-2x forum and *nowhere* else on TSL"
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What is "Shit that could be said on the 9-2x forum and *nowhere* else on TSL"
That literally made me laugh out loud. :th_SmlyROF L:
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is there something funny I wrote?
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is there something funny I wrote?
When you express your undying love for the 2.5, I'm sure that you mean you love the car that happens to contain the 2.5L motor.

The way that you wrote it, it sounded like you prefer the 2.5L motor to a 4-cyl "real" Saab turbo-charged motor. Which is silly. And funny.

Edit for further clarification: the Saab 9-2x was available with two different sized motors -- a 2.0L and a 2.5L, both built by Subaru. In that case, the motor with the bigger number is considered to be "better."
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Thanks Dantinne for schooling me.

I do love the car, not the motor. Thus, I would love to swap in the 4banger.
Having said that, I will never sell that car.

So, should I attempt the swap or not.
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Thanks Dantinne for schooling me.

I do love the car, not the motor. Thus, I would love to swap in the 4banger.
Having said that, I will never sell that car.

So, should I attempt the swap or not.
If you feel confident on completing the swap, why not?

You have a complete donor car. You have a car in good condition. Get it done!

Oh and make a build thread!
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Anything is "doable", But it sounds like a shit job to me. I wouldn't do it.


It's only a car bro, sell it and get a turbo.
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Thanks Dantinne for schooling me.

I do love the car, not the motor. Thus, I would love to swap in the 4banger.
Having said that, I will never sell that car.

So, should I attempt the swap or not.
If you love the car and have extra time/patience: go for it.

If itís just another machine -or- if you were trying to make money: sell it and buy a different one.
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