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Old 10-11-2012, 11:50 AM   #1
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hi all im new to saab tuning,done jap stuff before,just afetr some advice,do saabs run better with or without dump valve,i like the sound.what make is best for car.whats a good intake for the car and can you get yprated actuator for my model,its a 9-3 aero hot,y reg.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:45 PM   #2
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Saabs run better with an appropriate Forge (or the like) recirculating bypass valve. You want to hear it? Get an open intake.
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What year? If it is a '99, then a dump valve is fine. If you have a black brick on the center of your engine (DIC) then you cannot run a BOV; you need a recirc.
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its a 2001 y reg,also what is the best oil for the car.
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stick with the recirc valve even on t5 cars,, the open air valve are always trouble
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Old 10-12-2012, 05:17 AM   #6
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why are they trouble
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stick with the recirc valve even on t5 cars,, the open air valve are always trouble
Mike d; you are a very knowledgeable guy and tune, which is the next echelon so to speak. However, it is essentially impossible for a BOV to effect a T5/MAP system. BOV opens, manifold sensor sees less pressure and a corresponding drop in air volume, systems acts accordingly. On a MAF system the air lost has already been counted and the system has an unaccounted variable introduced, which leads to error (rich).
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Mike d; you are a very knowledgeable guy and tune, which is the next echelon so to speak. However, it is essentially impossible for a BOV to effect a T5/MAP system. BOV opens, manifold sensor sees less pressure and a corresponding drop in air volume, systems acts accordingly. On a MAF system the air lost has already been counted and the system has an unaccounted variable introduced, which leads to error (rich).
I'm very curious as to your reasons for stating what you did.
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Mike D understands this don't worry. It has nothing to do with effecting the tuning, its drive-ability. Any competent tuner will rather have a recirc valve. You don't lose all the boost you just created by shifting.
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why are they trouble
The ECU is monitoring the air coming through the MAF. If you dump some of it out of a BOV, you piss off the ECU.

Unless you're just looking for sound, this is not something you need to think about in terms of performance enhancements in 99% of cases.
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No MAF on T5 Bob. It is funny how these things go full circle. I would have sworn that a BOV would result in better boost response because 1) you are not blowing hot air back into the intake and 2) said hot air is not pushing back on the compressor in the wrong direction. It is interesting to hear this different perspective from Mike and Saabeh.
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You CAN run one.



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No MAF on T5 Bob. It is funny how these things go full circle. I would have sworn that a BOV would result in better boost response because 1) you are not blowing hot air back into the intake and 2) said hot air is not pushing back on the compressor in the wrong direction. It is interesting to hear this different perspective from Mike and Saabeh.
OP has a 2001 - T7 w/MAF.
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Mike d; you are a very knowledgeable guy and tune, which is the next echelon so to speak. However, it is essentially impossible for a BOV to effect a T5/MAP system. BOV opens, manifold sensor sees less pressure and a corresponding drop in air volume, systems acts accordingly. On a MAF system the air lost has already been counted and the system has an unaccounted variable introduced, which leads to error (rich).
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the open air valve being trouble has nothing to do with how it effects the trionic system on t5 cars, and everything to do with the fact that open air valves are just a shitty design.

open air valves always seam to either open to late causing some form of compressor surge, or open to early causing a boost leak. whereas a single piston recirc valve never seams to have any of these issues. i dislike open air valves because they just suck to deal with,, not because of how they effect the EFI system
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Fair enough But as for retaining boost made; one dumps into an open ended tube, the other into the atmosphere. Advantages are marginal for either one. What about running a recirc as a BOV, as many (including muhself) do with the Forge?
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the forge valves are great,, but exspensive, i have had a 100% success rate with this valve
below is a good video showing how these "cheap ebay" valves are made. its a pretty simple design compared to how an atmospheric valve works
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the forge valves are great,, but exspensive, i have had a 100% success rate with this valve
below is a good video showing how these "cheap ebay" valves are made. its a pretty simple design compared to how an atmospheric valve works
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That's what I run. Single piston BPV turned BOV. Bootleg forge with exact specs as forge.
Cost me the same, too.
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Blasphemy!!! Ha just kidding I run ngk. But I put autolite in my moms. Hehe
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What BPV? I pulled mine off and plugged the holes
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Blasphemy!!! Ha just kidding I run ngk. But I put autolite in my moms. Hehe
Why don't you like your Mom?
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Ha we'll the place I bought the plugs from only had one set of ngk's. plus she won't know the difference.
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