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Old 04-25-2012, 04:52 AM   #1
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MTF equivalents...

Topping off the MTF and need another liter...

Does anyone know if the GM Saturn MTF fluid (pn 21018899) is the same equivalent to the Saab 0063 (pn 93165290) fluid?

Both are BOT 0063, so I am thinking they are equal.

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I recently learned that Dex IV should be a good substitute for MTF 0063
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O63 works great in the winter, Its Water thin, Flows great. Thats why I don't use it. When Saab switched to 063 I watched the service life of Normal use & especialy hard use Bearing failures multiply. I think it has more to do with if you are Over or Under the mason dixon line, Cold climate use 063, For Warm climate, I Use Gm or Penzoil Syncromesh, For a tuned car under much higher torque loads, Use the syncromesh, Your trannys will last longer. Just my opinion.
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For Warm climate, I Use Gm or Penzoil Syncromesh, For a tuned car under much higher torque loads, Use the syncromesh, Your trannys will last longer. Just my opinion.
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I haven't been blown away by 063 since switching, but yes, winter was much smoother while cold. May look into the above suggestions, tx
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:33 AM   #7
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Thanks guys.

I ended up putting in redline mt-85, @ $11.25 a quart, I couldn't complain!
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Running mt-90 in mine. Shifts way better than 063.
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Fu&* 063. I paid for it x3 following the Saab flush procedure. Was a real waste of dough. Regret.
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I run MT-85 at mo.It works great, but is real thin
Next change I'm going to run MTL. Its just a bit thicker and is meant to be the equivalent to syncromesh.
MT-90 is just a bit to thick in my opinion. Have heard reports that shifting is real hard at cold but gets better as it warms up.

I can't get Pennzoil syncromesh over here.
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I run MT-85 at mo.It works great, but is real thin
Next change I'm going to run MTL. Its just a bit thicker and is meant to be the equivalent to syncromesh.
MT-90 is just a bit to thick in my opinion. Have heard reports that shifting is real hard at cold but gets better as it warms up.

I can't get Pennzoil syncromesh over here.
You should be able to get it at a Holden dealer. I'll see if I can dig up the GM part no.
Ask for "GMSMFM'' fluid or Friction Modified Part #10953509, or 12377916, Honda guys love it too.
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You should be able to get it at a Holden dealer. I'll see if I can dig up the GM part no.
Ask for "GMSMFM'' fluid or Friction Modified Part #10953509, or 12377916, Honda guys love it too.
Thanks Harvey, Nice work
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Thanks Harvey, Nice work
Found this about it too, ""A post on the message board at Machinery Lubrication Magazine Home found Synchromesh to consist of a 5W30 non-detergent oil with a friction modifer and an EP (extreme pressure) additive. It is made under contract for General Motors by Pennzoil (APC 337 or by Texaco (Code 1874 MTX Fluid)."
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I wish I lived next door to you Harvey.

I think I would become annoying tho
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This is a great thread...

I just added 0063, but I think I'll keep it in for a month or so as a flush, then dump it for Synchromesh...
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I've been thinking about trying some of this stuff: AMSOIL - Synthetic Manual Transmission and Transaxle Gear Lube 75W-90 (MTG)

edit: It seems to be recommended for some of the same applications as the MT-85. Hmm. Anyone ever try it?
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Two questions:

Is the Penzoil Syncromesh the same as the GM product?

Anyone used the Syncromesh in the Winter in the Northeast? I noticed that even with the 0063 that my first shift out of first gear was a little tight in the Winter. After the first one, it was smooth sailing.
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The GM oil is made by Pennzoil.
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