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Old 08-21-2009, 12:30 PM   #1
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Troll R+ (my project updated)!!!

Just found out that in 2000, there were some 20 pieces of 9-3 2.3 T5 named Troll R Hirsch. They made 305HP stock. So I have decided to forget about "stage X" project and call mine the "Troll R+" project. After all, this is what the trolls called it!

So, after some hard working and $$$ spending, I am getting somewhere...Flex Fuel included.
This post will be edited, so check from time to time, if interested.
Some pics:

- FRONT & BACK WHEELS:
- 17x7,5 Stern rims, sand-blasted and powder-coated;
- 225x45x17 Vredestein Giugiaro design tyres,
- 336mm 6pot WP PRO brakes on front;
- 330mm 6pot WP PRO brakes on rear (including hand-brake). The brakes are a "bolt-on" swap (came with everything: mounting brakets for calipers, stainless steel lines, s.o.). I could've go for various colors (cooper, red, etc.) for the brake calipers and the rotor hats, but I choose black-is great! Let me tell you: this BBK really stop your SAAB! (Nick T. was not exagerating when he told me this are a little bit "over-kill" for the Viggen). Quite pricy, also...;
DONE!!!Managed to get my hands on a set of Hirsch 19" rims (the 19'' 3-spokes design), and Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 235/35/19! And since a thread delivers only with pics, expect tomorrow pics with the wheels installed.I am thinking how will they look painted black? Please don`t call me a noob Anyway, I will downgrade to 225/35/19 GoodYear F1 asymmetric, for suspension reasons...

SUSPENSION & HANDLING:
- Koni Sport Kit (all 4 Shocks matched to 4 lowering springs). Great Package value, from Nick T., but of course! And just forget about "experts" opinions about this kit...it works just fine!
- Steering Rack Brace & Clamp Kit;
- Strut Brace;
- Rear Anti-Roll (anti Sway) Bar - 22mm version;
- 6-Point Subframe Brace;
- hardened urethane filled Upper Strut Mounts;
- Uprated Front ARB Bushings;
- Steering Rod Bushings;
- Poly Rear Axle Bushings;
- Uprated Suspension Bushings Inner;
- Uprated Suspension Bushings Outer.

ENGINE:
- upgraded from 2.0 to 2.3 liters (crankshaft & connecting rods from a B235 engine);
- Wossner mild coated forged pistons for B235;
- T5 cams swap instead of the T7 stock cams;
- balance shafts deleted;
- NGK BCR8ES Spark plugs (although not everyone agrees with this option);
- Open Air Intake;
- Turbo Intake Pipe-upgraded BIG COBRA version;
- TD04-HL19 6cm^2 exhaust housing;
- Forge diverter valve with yellow spring and no spacers;
- ETS performance Intercooler;
- 3.0 bar FPR (the 3.5 FPR is not used in this configuration by Maptun);
- 750cc fuel injectors (those 850cc injectors were more like a head-ache);
- 255 lph Walbro in-tank fuel pump;
- Samco silicone hoses-complete set (blue);
- Sport Engine Mount (stage 2);
- Sport Transmission Mount;
- Amsoil BIG performance oil filter (some more 2 liters of oil in the engine);
- Oil Gauge (green dial 0-7) from Speedparts;
- oil swap to Mobil1 5W 30, from initial Mobil1 0W 40 (the balance shafts deleted, BIG Amsoil filter, Oil gauge and Mobil1 5W 30 to t prevent frying my engine-that recently happened).

ENGINE MANAGEMENT:
After using with absolutelly great satisfaction a JZW stage 3 Viggen tune (thumbs up, John, and BTW, that ECU is on the way to you, expect some 21 days of delivery), I went a step ahead, to a MAPTUN Ecu, to match exactelly my hardware set-up. Flex Fuel, as well, stage 5 Viggen.
The results...yet to be seen.I will dyno it and let everyone know
BTW, I also got the new product from Maptun: the small device called MAPTUNER! It`s like a PPC, a full review coming up soon!

EXHAUST:
- exhaust manifold and downpipe wrapped up with heat bandage, to keep the engine bay temp lower;
- 3" Downpipe -Version 2, including Metallic Race Catalyst to withstand the abuse of a high output engine;
- dual exhaust cat-back (makes my SAAB go "brum-brum . This is also a full "bolt-on" dual exhaust system, cat-back. It came with all the required clamps, bolts, etc. Made by Jetex/Simon/JT. Quite silent as compared to stock!
I will have to redesign that rear bumper strip, to integrate better the exhaust mufflers and the tow-bar. I am thinking at a rear diffuser (sort-of M5 type), with the opening exactly on the tow-bar position. What do you guys think of the attached design? Any input welcomed! P.S. next week I will do the first mold. Pics will be uploaded asap

AUDIO:
- stock audio system (think level 3) with radio-CD (Pioneer?) and
- a great AT2 from Mr. Levine (nice device that is actually working fine!). -Planning (maybe) a subwoofer/door speakers with subs included? Any brand/model to sugest? (although the stock system is more than enough, allowing also to listen to the great symphony of the engine!

TRANSMISSION:
- carefully checked and
- Viggen pressure plate & Spec Stage 3 clutch disc (a six point puch disc following);
- an Quaife LSD installed (makes a huge difference for putting to ground the power, especially when hardly accelerating and in turns);
- short shifter from GS (got it in early July, so I had already some time to enjoy this great upgrade-my extra positive comments on other topics here and on the product page).
- Status update: from Planning to undergoing!!!: 6 speeds upgrade -call me a stuborn !(I can confirm that the F40 gearbox with 6speeds from the 2.2 liters TiD fits in the place of the F25 gearbox! there are guys that did this retrofit in Sweden. Rickard is one of them, on a 9-3OG Conv.) So I sourced an F40 correct bellhouse (to be delivered Wednesday)...I also took the 9-3SS shifter and linkage (I will use Nick`s 9-3SS short-shift and upgraded mounts), an F40 Quaife LSD, a Sachs racing clutch kit (9-5 Pressure plate and 9-3SS friction plate, semi-organic), that will hold some 650 Nm.
What I need: a 9-5 flywheel (still considering the Abbott Racing billet one, instead a the Spec...);
F35 (Viggen or 9-5) driveshafts and a 20mm shorter shaft (on the left side)... a Sweden company (FIXIT) is make it custom;
some time to fabricate the chassis/body mount for the gearbox... pics to come


Other: Monday I will put the GenuineSaab Viggen style pedals, in the place of the "ultimate pedals" (pics of the ultimate ones). I think the Viggen pedals look right on spot in the vert...

IN THE FAR FUTURE: TAN leather seats and soft-top. Maybe there is a company that manufactures this on special order. Anyone knows? thanks!
Our SAABs deserve THE BEST!

Thumbs up/Props/Credentials: somehow in a random order:
- Nicholas Taliaferro (GenuineSaab.com);
- John Z Williams (jzwtunning.com);
- Richard (elkparts.com);
- Sam Yueh (wpprobrakes.com);
- Fredrik (maptun.com);
- Rony (racestuff.se);
- Alisia (speedparts.se...wish her an easy baby-deliver);
and all the great guys that share theire knowledge and this forum, and other Saab online communities
(hey, you well know the guys!

Next step: to reinforce the gearbox for the final output. Maybe an F40 retrofited on the T7 engine...still pondering on this future project

The final output on E85 is some 360HP and 520Nm (Flex Fuel)....yeaahaaaa!

More to come...
Attached Images
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File Type: jpg rear wheel.jpg (96.1 KB, 226 views)
File Type: jpg 19'' Hirsch Performance 8.0 x 19 Rim (3 spokes design).jpg (11.1 KB, 105 views)
File Type: jpg dual exhaust_rear diffuser.jpg (59.3 KB, 253 views)
File Type: jpg Troll pedals.jpg (141.8 KB, 98 views)
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Old 08-21-2009, 01:34 PM   #2
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you deff need a better camera! or atleast take pics in the day light. From what I can see though it looks pretty awsome. What color paint is that; and what kind of wheels?
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Old 08-22-2009, 01:21 PM   #5
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Nice! The first thing I saw were the upgraded brakes, what setup are you running for those?
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:50 PM   #6
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Nice! The first thing I saw were the upgraded brakes, what setup are you running for those?
The wheels are updated...
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:10 PM   #7
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Very sick...please post pics of entire car...

BTW, what is the cost over there in RO or in Germany, etc. places for used Saabs like the one you have?
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Very sick...please post pics of entire car...

BTW, what is the cost over there in RO or in Germany, etc. places for used Saabs like the one you have?
all the auto market is free falling, so if would want to buy a car like this (notice I didn`t said "if it would be to sell mine"), more than 10.000 Euro I would not take out of my pocket.
Take into consideration an average mileage for a 9-3 Aero (old gen.) is up-most 150.000 km (my previous one, I think, some over 100.000 km being made by me, before melting it`s engine and selling it....).
On the other hand, the roads here are killing the cars.

To have an "inside view", check: http://saab-romania.ro/modele/used.asp
The reason I decided to invest in my SAAB is because, on one side, I still want a 4 persons, 4 seasons convertible (I have a little daughter and the three of us love to drive with the top down), and SAAB here is my choice (until I will afford a Bentley or Rolls ...hey, you never know...
On the other hand, this car will slowly become a clasic, so why not keep it? And toast those M3 and japs at traffic lights
Yeaaaahaaaa!!!!
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:10 PM   #9
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some problems and updates:

As I already told you,I have pretty upgraded my suspension and engine mounts, like following:
- Steering Rack Brace & Clamp Kit;
- Strut Brace;
- hardened urethane filled Upper Strut Mounts;
- Uprated Front ARB Bushings;
- Steering Rod Bushings;
- Poly Rear Axle Bushings;
- Uprated Suspension Bushings Inner;
- Uprated Suspension Bushings Outer.
- balance shafts deleted;
- Sport Engine Mount (stage 2);
- Sport Transmission Mount.

The problem is I got a lot of vibrations in the cabin, and a broom (which can be heard only inside the car, outside the car simply idles very silently).

Whan can produce this quite big amount of vibrations and the broom sound, and more, what can I do to level things a little?
Many thanks for help.
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You have stiffer mounts and no balance shafts...
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:29 PM   #11
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You have stiffer mounts and no balance shafts...
go figure!
Still, that broom is quite unpleasant. I checked and double checked the exhaust, and seems okay. What can make such a noise when revving the engine? -as I said, the engine idles pleasantly, pourrs like a cat
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:35 PM   #12
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sparks quizz

I currently use
NGK BCR8ES Spark plugs, as recommended by elkparts (http://www.elkparts.com/saab-9000-m8...ons.p1919.html).
Yet, others (Nick T., for example: http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/p...products_id=92) recommend BCPR7ES...

Bottom line, for a T7 2.3 B235 engine (VIGGEN) some stage 3+, what sparks should I use? Are those NGK BCR8ES sparks okay?
Thanks for inputs!
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:27 AM   #13
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Since you are under 400hp the 8s are too cold of a plug. You will find the fouled easy when it starts to get cold if used on short trips.

The 2.3 with no balancers will vibrate quite a bit. The 2.0 Will not. Still make the same power.
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2.0 GOOSE 500whp + 8500rpm = 11.06 @125 E85
Viggen 439whp / 447tq 12.43 @114 on Gt2871.64, (Now 511whp Gt3076)
Nordic E85 9-3 SS Aero 320hp / 350ftlbs
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:01 AM   #14
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I run 8's here in Chicago and have zero problems with them, short trips and all.
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:30 AM   #15
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but the broom/noise

Still, if I can live with the vibrations, what is that broom/noise comming from, only when revving? At idle, it is quiet and fine...
Next week I will install an oil pressure gauge, hope this will prevent frying my engine again! Pics/details comming up.
Still needing that 6cm^2 exhaust housing TD04HL15 turbocharger (it was supposed to arrive in Romania, but "something" occured . Sad&strange story, with me paying and still waiting-hope everything will come out clean!).
Last thing would be that 6 speeds gearbox upgrade. Any1 knows if the 6speeds gearbox from 2.2 TiD fits in the place of the F25 gearbox? Some birdy whispered this in my ear...
Nick, any help on this? What about that gearkit of yours? Off your Viggen, yet? Give me a price
Peace for now...
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I run standard gearing in all my cars. Never ran a 6speed in the VIg. Have an F40 in my 9-3SS Aero.
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2.0 GOOSE 500whp + 8500rpm = 11.06 @125 E85
Viggen 439whp / 447tq 12.43 @114 on Gt2871.64, (Now 511whp Gt3076)
Nordic E85 9-3 SS Aero 320hp / 350ftlbs
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I run standard gearing in all my cars. Never ran a 6speed in the VIg. Have an F40 in my 9-3SS Aero.
My bad...must have got it wrong.
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Old 08-29-2009, 03:31 AM   #18
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some help needed:

just to finish my project:
1. MOST IMPORTANT: a 6cm^2 exhaust housing TD04HL15 turbocharger. Might be as well only the hot side (the part that mounts on the exhaust manifold)...
2. CONFIRMATION if a 2.2 TiD SAAB 6 speeds gearbox would fit in the place of my F25 gearbox;
3. a set of Hirsch 19" rims (the 19'' 3-spokes design;
4. a nice REAR DIFFUSER just to close that rear bumper in an efficient way. Any sugestions/ideas/draw-ups are wellcomed!
5. TAN leather seats and soft-top. First would be the leather interior (TAN color/BEIGE), and the the outer soft-top. Guys, do you know a company that manufactures this stuff on special order?

Thanks again for hints/advices/ideas & sugestions.

P.S. I will keep this post and update it, until I complete the project.
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Old 08-29-2009, 06:27 AM   #19
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1. Maybe get another turbo altogther, why are you hung up on a 19T? What I mean is that you are dumping a shit load of money into this car so you might as well get something bigger and better.
2. Good luck!
3. Harsh ride, but to each his own.
4. Rear defuser-
Have fun and I will love to hear the progress.
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1. Maybe get another turbo altogther, why are you hung up on a 19T? What I mean is that you are dumping a shit load of money into this car so you might as well get something bigger and better.
+1

Av, the main appeal of the 19T is that it's a low-cost upgrade if you already have an existing 9000 Aero turbo -- which, alas, you don't.

Go elsewhere, maybe a small-frame Holset -- which should be pretty plentiful
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