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Old 02-28-2005, 11:33 AM   #1
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Jesus Christ. (head is done)

Disassemble head and clean parts.........$165
Competition Valve Job, Shorten Valves....$700
Surface Head.............................................. ...$80
Porting and polishing...................................$385
Valve seals and shims................................$48
Assembly.......................................... ..............$65

I am promised that it will, "exceed my expectations". Now excuse me, I need to sell my kidney.
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can be prone to failure due to increased localized stresses in the hole penetrations
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Old 02-28-2005, 11:47 AM   #2
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Dude, for that kind of money, I hope you had your way with the guy's daughter
What kind of gains are expected from that kinda work
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The head includes the 2.3 cams, so it will be fully dynoed when put on the car.
http://www.endersracingengines.com/
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Good God Tweek

It better come with its own mechanic for that much.. Damn.

But when u get it let us know how it works out.
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yikes! I got all that done except for the porting for $100

I think I got a deal
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Now excuse me, I need to sell my kidney.
why sell yours you can just borrow some from your "clients"
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Now excuse me, I need to sell my kidney.
why sell yours you can just borrow some from your "clients"
...that's funny.

wonder if buying the gas-flowed head from Abbott at a discount would have achieved the same result for about the same.

Tweek's gonna have to change his name to "Frankenstein" as he brings that car into a new life.. :P :P
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Old 02-28-2005, 02:12 PM   #8
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Seriosly, with the 2.3 cams, I have $1900 in this head already. Abbott has just the heads for,
Big exhaust gas flowed-$1,847 plus shipping.
gas flowed-$1,308 plus shipping.

So I don't feel I did that bad actually. I just have to hope I beat 12 hp with this upgrade.
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yikes! I got all that done except for the porting for $100

I think I got a deal
I've had 3 saab heads all done (fully rebuilt ) for the same $100 each (cash and carry) from the same guy - who I sent you to myself Good guy he is - does a great job an I have a Bench Flow chart to prove it on my 2.1 head for the SPG
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Old 02-28-2005, 06:09 PM   #10
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yep, and the thing flys with the 2.3 head my car has now basically if you are paying more than $300 for a 3 angle valve job that they call a "Competition Valve Job" I would walk away. I have no doubt a place that charges like that is going to do good work, but I just can't see paying more than $300 for getting a head remanufactured. this is the approximate prices "on the books" that me and burnssides motor man would charge for the same operation-

Disassemble head and clean parts.........$40
3 angle valve job....$160
New valve guides and seals instillation would be included in this so long as the parts are provided by customer
re-surface Head.............................................. ...$40
bench flowed Porting and polishing...................................(this I would have to ask on)
Valve seals and shims................................$included in valve job
Assembly.......................................... ..............$included in valve job

Off the books prices are even cheaper and as we have found out, cash and carry works well for that
I have no doubt you will be happy with the head though, a remaned cylinder head will put your compression right up to where it is with a brand new car, it will sound nice and quiet, you will burn no oil and the thing will feel brand new.

all I have to say on the price is OUCH that cylinder head alone cost about 4 times what I spent to rebuild my entire engine
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Well - the machine shop i deal with you must realize IS the cheapest in the area, and VERY reputable. Every garage in a 15-mile radius will send their parts to this one man - and his son now to get it repaired/rebuilt. He actually specializes in heads. Now - the next cheapest job in the area happens to be at a Performance Speed Shop known as E-CAMS (they have a race car you may have seen before) about 2 minutes from the machine shop I go to and I was quoted at $475 for a rebuilt head (not ported or polished) which was still reasonable. The next quote I had gotten was $1100 for a rebuild.... that was just crazy. I can understand $400ish - but over $500 is crazy. I understand what is involved in doing the work - I’ve done it before, i could do it myself if I wanted to - but I like to have work done right the first time - even if it means paying a little bit more (Tweeks you can justify yourself with that line :P ) However to each their own, we are just lucky to have Carlos in our area and for him to be so nice to us on the price since I told him I’d bring him more customers - and I have. I pass the word on - just like we are doing right now -
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Burns..,

What's that guys' information? If I could get a phone number, I could make a run on the weekend to drop off a head I need work on too.

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What's that guys' information? If I could get a phone number, I could make a run on the weekend to drop off a head I need work on too.

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I had one of his cards laying about - I'll look for it. He's behind the Napa It's a Napa Machine shop he runs. he IS the main/only guy other then his crazy strong son. It's actually about 5 minutes from my house. I live in Jenkintown - PA. 19046 if that helps you get the directions from you to here.
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Weldons in Glenside
128 E Glenside Ave
Glenside, PA 19038
Tel: (215) 885-0350

that will probably connect to the main desk, you want the machine shop.
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Burns, Delorean,

thanks for the info..., I'll give him a holler..

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thanks for the info..., I'll give him a holler..

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just remember you were sent by Jeff - the other Saab guy and that I reccomended him When he go to pick it up he'll ask if you need a reciept - you should be able to figure it out from there. If he's busy - the more time you allow - the better the price
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Old 03-01-2005, 06:50 AM   #17
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Nice!

All these high flow parts will probably perform that much better when you get rid of that restrictive stock manifold. Hard to feel upgrades when you still have a bottle-neck!

High-flow heads, and the 2.3i camshafts, perform best in the 4,500+ RPM region ... which is where that darn stock manifold performs worst.

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Old 03-01-2005, 01:25 PM   #18
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I have been thinking of just having the intake manifold extrude honed. But other than that, I think that will be the achilies heel.
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I have been thinking of just having the intake manifold extrude honed. But other than that, I think that will be the achilies heel.
if you are not into spending any more money, it's perfectly acceptable to break out a dremmel and polish up the inside of your manifold yourself to take care of the casting flaws that can create turbulence. it probably won't get you much if any gains HP wise but it's nice to know you have a smooth flowing manifold
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Adrian....heard a guy say he believed polishing the head was not worth it because the air turbulence was necessary to mix the air/fuel properly. Care to comment?
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