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Old 06-05-2008, 02:49 AM   #21
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You have the stock single pass IC still... right?


Yeah, get that out of there!
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Old 06-05-2008, 07:45 AM   #22
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Worse, it's a double pass. It is the next thing on my list when money permits.
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I bought a Viggen intercooler for $75 shipped from there. It's def. not an ETS or Forge, but it's a step up from the crappy double pass.
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:46 PM   #24
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im with you on the cams, i think ihow could they not help you...
i put a cam in my VW and got 30hp with no tune. my camaro got about the same.
like everyone one says its not needed but who cares, i dont want to wait till i need something to replace it. you replace belts and timming chains before they break. why not up grade before you need to?
think of it as getting a huge IC for a stock car, do you need it? no... does it help? kinda... does it hurt? no, and why/if you want to upgrade later that is one thing less you will have on your mind of things that need to be done.

thats just how i look at it.
if you do get them let me know, i have a td04 -15 to and would like to get some more hp with out the 2k price tag.
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Old 06-07-2008, 02:30 AM   #25
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You have the stock single pass IC still... right?


Yeah, get that out of there!
These were my thoughts exactly.

Talking cams on a stage 4 car, when you're running the crappy ic that is a restriction to the car, STOCK, is simply stupid.

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Old 06-07-2008, 06:24 AM   #26
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If the pursuit of power is stupid, we're all a bunch of fucking idiots. You don't discover good places for improvements on anything without exploring new venues, that's inherent to discoveries. Common sense tells us that more aggressive cams = more power. In any application. That's what this is about, more so than just "omgz you have the stock intercooler and are looking at cams?" Assume the IC will be done before the cams.

I have yet to see evidence against that for our cars, only people saying "don't do it" or "you have bigger issues than the cams". The fact that everyone is saying that is enough to persuade me not to do the cams at this point, but I still want to know why and with better explanation than "because I said so" or "because I read so."

The best explanations two of the most respected tuners have given me are similarly lacking:
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"The cams are not the "problem" when still on the stock turbo."

"leave the cams and head alone!! they are both good untill you hit the 500+hp mark"


So I know these people know their stuff, but what they're saying doesn't make sense without some sort of explanation. To just take answers for face value and not ask questions about it, regarding any topic, THAT is just plain stupid.

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