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Performance Modifications for the NG900 / Old 9-3 This forum contains PERFORMANCE related Q&A's for the NG900 and 9-3. This may also include suspension.

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Old 05-13-2008, 07:56 AM   #61
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Here's some pic linkys.

http://www.scca-susq.com/photogaller...sle/index.html

http://www.scca-susq.com/photogaller...isle/index.htm
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If they don't change the course anything under 26 seconds would be fine for my first time. I am glad you get a warm up run.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:12 AM   #63
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That looks like a good c900 course
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:21 AM   #64
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Make sure you have plenty of air in the tires too

Also, unless you have warmed up your tires and brakes ahead of time, make sure to take the first run easy since you wont get the most grip out of cold tires and brakes. I watched an instructor nearly hit a curb when he overshot a carousel at the autocross school I just went to - cold tired and brakes were the culprit.
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Make sure you have plenty of air in the tires too

Also, unless you have warmed up your tires and brakes ahead of time, make sure to take the first run easy since you wont get the most grip out of cold tires and brakes. I watched an instructor nearly hit a curb when he overshot a carousel at the autocross school I just went to - cold tired and brakes were the culprit.
Oh yes, I know this from experience. The Hawks and 615's are kind of iffy with no heat in them.

I am wondering what the ideal Koni setup will be. Full firm front and rear, or fill firm in just the rears, a setup that may promote more oversteer and less understeer........
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:28 AM   #66
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Maybe Champ will chime in - I think he did well with firm all the way around. He was getting real wheel lift even with the fronts on full firm when braking into corners, so...
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It used to be "flying start". Dunno about this year. So, you get almost a full lap in to warm things up.
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It used to be "flying start". Dunno about this year. So, you get almost a full lap in to warm things up.
Thats also nice since I have never really launched this car for all its worth out of love for my gearbox.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:35 AM   #69
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You don't really launch hard in autox, more just roll out.
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yeah, usually they start you with run-up space before the timing gate. This reduces the need to doing any clutch dropping burnouts or anything.
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yeah, usually they start you with run-up space before the timing gate. This reduces the need to doing any clutch dropping burnouts or anything.

Yea. They spoil all the fun.
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yeah, usually they start you with run-up space before the timing gate. This reduces the need to doing any clutch dropping burnouts or anything.
Nice.

Like I said, I don't have ANY AutoX experience.

When I was in MI, a friend was part of an engineering program. One weekend we put a very well sorted suspension setup on the first Terrible F- which might be better than the Vigg at this point.

They had just built a new school for the engineering dept which was not open yet. It was freshly paved with great bends and turns and changes in elevation. His dept. was working on suspension tuning on a open wheeled race car. One night they got into the unopened school and made a track day out of it.

My friend and I took turns dialing in the new suspension on the "track". It was pretty amazing. The course wound up being about 3/4 of a mile long hitting speeds of about 75-85 at the time.
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Nice.

Like I said, I don't have ANY AutoX experience.
Like I told you on AIM, for your first event, I'd just follow the KISS rule of life. I wouldn't worry too much about the suspension settings unless you have some serious handling issues with your current setup. Drive it as you brought it, aside from putting 35+ lbs of pressure into those Azenis.

Don't overthink it. Just get out there and have fun. Maybe I'll register to run with you in the 'vert. I guess I need to do some shakedown runs tonight to see how it takes to the abuse. Ha...
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Like I told you on AIM, for your first event, I'd just follow the KISS rule of life. I wouldn't worry too much about the suspension settings unless you have some serious handling issues with your current setup. Drive it as you brought it, aside from putting 35+ lbs of pressure into those Azenis.

Don't overthink it. Just get out there and have fun. Maybe I'll register to run with you in the 'vert. I guess I need to do some shakedown runs tonight to see how it takes to the abuse. Ha...
Too much body roll with the konis on soft which is my DD setup. I drive it on full firm enough that it shouldn't be too foreign to me.
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If it's a tight course, consider keeping the fronts softer and the rears stiff.

But you are really over thinking this...it's not an F1 race.

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But you are really over thinking this...it's not an F1 race.

Thanks, Topher. I've tried telling him this, but I think it's the nature of the Jameson to worry and overthink.
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Has Jameson posted what times he hopes to have for each run?
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Yes, he said under 26 seconds.
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If it's a tight course, consider keeping the fronts softer and the rears stiff.

But you are really over thinking this...it's not an F1 race.

Its not a matter of over thinking. I am competitive and hard on myself. If I can do some homework to be better prepared, why not? In the end, my goal is to have fun which I will do even if I hit every single cone.

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Thanks, Topher. I've tried telling him this, but I think it's the nature of the Jameson to worry and overthink.

See above, wouldn't call it worrying. I am excited and looking forward to it. If it was a maze of cones, I might be kind of nervous.
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Yes, he said under 26 seconds.

Yep, I like to have a goal. It makes improvement more tangible with something to work torwards.
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:14 AM   #80
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Hahaha.

Here, this might make you feel better (or it will pretty much show you that you cannot blame your performance on your car, at all).



That is from the Autocross that Champ, Adouglas and I (along with some local VW guys) did a few weeks ago. It was super cold out - less than 50 degrees - so it was not idea tire conditions. See how I did in my winter beater with OLD shocks and stock 200,000 mile SPG springs did compared to the other cars.

Its driver, its all driver.

Could I have done better in my car with better tires? Yeah, probably. Could I have done better using the Intergra with like 10" wide Hoosier slicks? I'm sure i could have. Could the guy in the M3 have done better than me? Hell yeah, but he didn't.
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