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Old 02-05-2008, 09:00 AM   #1
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Does anyone know about the necessary degreeing that is required when you upgrade to bigger cams. i was looking at maptuns site and they say that degreeing is necessary to run right.

Which cam would be best for different applications. if i were to get the 276 cams would that be to big and would be awaste of time?
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Old 02-05-2008, 09:09 AM   #2
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Does anyone know about the necessary degreeing that is required when you upgrade to bigger cams. i was looking at maptuns site and they say that degreeing is necessary to run right.

Which cam would be best for different applications. if i were to get the 276 cams would that be to big and would be awaste of time?
x2 on the degreeing, But the 276 cames are rated for 400-550hp and the 264 are rated from 350-425hp. Thats taken from nicks site, I believe the cames are from the same company that maptun gets them from.

Take a look at Yakgton he was running a GT30r Turbine Housing A/R: 0.82, Wheel: 60mm w/ 84 trim Compressor Housing A/R: 0.60, Wheel: 76.2mm w/ 56 trim. His dyno was 450whp with cams Lift/Duration: 268/9.6.not that should give you a better understanding of what cam to use. He had a longer manifold more top end. His dyno curve is amazing though def what i'm shooting for once i get the other engine installed.
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GS's site doesnt say anything about degreeing the 264 cam, but it does on the 276 cam
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GS's site doesnt say anything about degreeing the 264 cam, but it does on the 276 cam
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i dont think the maptun cams are enem, judging by the fact that the pictures of the cams on maptun are polished in between the lobes, and are not polished on the GS/Enem cams


regardless, GS does not say you need to degree the 264 cams, but does say you need to degree the 276 cams.

also, the GS cams are $786, and the maptun cams are (at today's conversion rate) $828 plus probably $100 in shipping.


besides that, when you're getting up to the amount of power that these cams are designed to make, not taking the extra care to degree the cams sounds like a bad idea
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i dont think the maptun cams are enem, judging by the fact that the pictures of the cams on maptun are polished in between the lobes, and are not polished on the GS/Enem cams


regardless, GS does not say you need to degree the 264 cams, but does say you need to degree the 276 cams.

also, the GS cams are $786, and the maptun cams are (at today's conversion rate) $828 plus probably $100 in shipping.


besides that, when you're getting up to the amount of power that these cams are designed to make, not taking the extra care to degree the cams sounds like a bad idea
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Question for you all. Who makes the camshafts that Genuine Saab sells? Does Nick make them? I'm curious to know what company makes them.

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Enem is the manufacturer in Sweden. They also sell to Maptun.
The pictures could always be different.
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From what I have been told, unless you are running a gt2871 or larger, upgraded cams are not effective since the smaller turbos (i.e. td04) are not able to breath enough at higher rpms. Below a 2871 T5 cams are ideal.
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i'm looking at eventually upgrading the turbo next fall. but since i have to change my valve springs out and i'm already going to be in there what would the car run like with bigger cams?
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I hear also, to get the most effect out of the cams you need head work done and a set of tubular headers.
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I hear also, to get the most effect out of the cams you need head work done and a set of tubular headers.
when i pull the head i'm going to have it p/p.
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Ok well I'm having a blank momment. What is "degreeing"?



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Ok well I'm having a blank momment. What is "degreeing"?
retard timing.
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:54 PM   #13
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retard timing.
wrong

http://www.webcamshafts.com/
http://www.ridgenet.net/~biesiade/camdegree.htm

you needa tool similar to this
http://www.newenglandhondarebuilders.com/

thats degreeing cams.

your just setting timing, which needs cam gears.



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Old 02-06-2008, 05:23 AM   #14
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The 276 are too big for most street cars. Plus you have to clearance the head just so the they will turn.

You cannot clock them with the same timing as original. It is not a big job just takes a little bit. Maybe 20 min.

The 264 are my second favorite power mod on the vig.. Second to the Top mount Gt2871 (Maybe I will get it swapped to the 3071 after this weekends drag race. ) For now I want to see what the cams and springs did for the times.
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2.0 GOOSE 500whp + 8500rpm = 11.06 @125 E85
Viggen 439whp / 447tq 12.43 @114 on Gt2871.64, (Now 511whp Gt3076)
Nordic E85 9-3 SS Aero 320hp / 350ftlbs
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Old 02-06-2008, 05:31 AM   #15
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Here is the link.. Clearancing for the 276
http://genuinesaab.com/gallery/BigCams
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You can time them with one indicator. Don't have any other photos of this though. Usually get excited to see the results.
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2.0 GOOSE 500whp + 8500rpm = 11.06 @125 E85
Viggen 439whp / 447tq 12.43 @114 on Gt2871.64, (Now 511whp Gt3076)
Nordic E85 9-3 SS Aero 320hp / 350ftlbs
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Nick have you tried running a combo of the cams? A couple of my DSM/Evo buddies have had some luck running a 264 intake and 272 exhaust cam setup.
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Our heads don't flow that well.. Basically it is not " the problem"
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2.0 GOOSE 500whp + 8500rpm = 11.06 @125 E85
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Ok my thinking was about the same. Have you been doing any work to fix "that problem"?
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(Maybe I will get it swapped to the 3071 after this weekends drag race. )
Wait a second, drag racing at this time of year? Where do you do that at!?
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2.0 GOOSE 500whp + 8500rpm = 11.06 @125 E85
Viggen 439whp / 447tq 12.43 @114 on Gt2871.64, (Now 511whp Gt3076)
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