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Old 11-17-2007, 07:39 AM   #1
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I want 300whp whats the plan?

Ok so I want to start collecting parts to make this happen. It may take some time but hey goals are nice! So as many of you may already know I have plenty of tuner freinds. They mainly run asian or german cars. So my sweedish setup is a bit foreign to them. I have been recommended turbo swaps up and down by them. Most of them do not seem cost effective. (eg. t3/t4 hybrid something like a 60 trim in and out.) Would I just be better off getting a 9000 Aero turbo and swapping housings and getting a bigger wheel slapped in? That way I don't have to get a custom manifold made. Or would I come out cheaper and better off (see room to tinker) with a T3/T4 w/ a costume manifold. All I am thinking best bang for the buck here... Specific tuning packages aside. I have most of the other parts picked out mentally.

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Old 11-17-2007, 07:45 AM   #2
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Dan are you going to do stand alone tuning or what EM are you considering.
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Ok so I want to start collecting parts to make this happen. It may take some time but hey goals are nice! So as many of you may already know I have plenty of tuner freinds. They mainly run asian or german cars. So my sweedish setup is a bit foreign to them. I have been recommended turbo swaps up and down by them. Most of them do not seem cost effective. (eg. t3/t4 hybrid something like a 60 trim in and out.) Would I just be better off getting a 9000 Aero turbo and swapping housings and getting a bigger wheel slapped in? That way I don't have to get a custom manifold made. Or would I come out cheaper and better off (see room to tinker) with a T3/T4 w/ a costume manifold. All I am thinking best bang for the buck here... Specific tuning packages aside. I have most of the other parts picked out mentally.

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Greentop Injectors
Ebay IC
Ebay IC kit
3" SS exhaust piping

Feel free to change my mind on any of this.

btw I have a 2002 9-3SE for those who do not know.
You do realize the the BF! is working on exactly what you are looking for as we speak.Give me a call if you have any questions.651-398-6757.Yes I am local.
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An 18t would probably get your to your goal.
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an aero tdo4-15t is not going to last long at 300whp if it can even give you that. look at maptun or nordic.
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an aero tdo4-15t is not going to last long at 300whp if it can even give you that. look at maptun or nordic.
it cant make 300whp and only one company makes an off the shelf tune for an 18t otherwise you have to find someone to do you a custom.



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it cant make 300whp and only one company makes an off the shelf tune for an 18t otherwise you have to find someone to do you a custom.
I am working on that end building these cars now.I have the ability to edit the LH jetronic cars but still need to work on the trionic stuff.
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I am working on that end building these cars now.I have the ability to edit the LH jetronic cars but still need to work on the trionic stuff.
eww good luck with that trionic stuff! noone likes that junk
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Chuck I had heard you where doing the jetronic stuff but I had no idea you where doing this w/ tronic as well. Thats great news! As you know us Saaber's don't have much in the Midwest to work off of. I am confident I can get the hardware lined up. But I know in the end the biggest hurdle is the ECU...

With regard to the turbo it self you would need to port the stock compressor housing and slap in 18T wheel. I wouldn't want to port the stock housing I would prefer using the 9000 Aero 6cm unit then have that ported out to further help controlling EGT's. Even with all this I would be somewhere around 315chp so that would mean just under 300whp. All the while really running the turbo at it's limits... There has to be a better solution. My issue is that I don't want to spend $1200 plus for a just a GT series turbo for the sake of a slightly earlier spool vs. a regular T series. I could net me the same numbers in the upper range which is really is more usable in a FWD car. Then I think of the limitations of the T28's and so on. To me a T3/T4 hybrid seems to have more benefits over the T28's and so on and at a great price point. Tell me if my head is going in the wrong direction here... I welcome input. I don't think we always have to do a "package off the shelf sort of deal" every time.
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it cant make 300whp and only one company makes an off the shelf tune for an 18t otherwise you have to find someone to do you a custom.
i'm pretty sure jak and i'm sure nick has a tune for the 18T. jak doesn't display some stg. like GT28 and such.
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Chuck I had heard you where doing the jetronic stuff but I had no idea you where doing this w/ tronic as well. Thats great news! As you know us Saaber's don't have much in the Midwest to work off of. I am confident I can get the hardware lined up. But I know in the end the biggest hurdle is the ECU...

With regard to the turbo it self you would need to port the stock compressor housing and slap in 18T wheel. I wouldn't want to port the stock housing I would prefer using the 9000 Aero 6cm unit then have that ported out to further help controlling EGT's. Even with all this I would be somewhere around 315chp so that would mean just under 300whp. All the while really running the turbo at it's limits... There has to be a better solution. My issue is that I don't want to spend $1200 plus for a just a GT series turbo for the sake of a slightly earlier spool vs. a regular T series. I could net me the same numbers in the upper range which is really is more usable in a FWD car. Then I think of the limitations of the T28's and so on. To me a T3/T4 hybrid seems to have more benefits over the T28's and so on and at a great price point. Tell me if my head is going in the wrong direction here... I welcome input. I don't think we always have to do a "package off the shelf sort of deal" every time.
Its going to take some time to read up on the trionic stuff but it looks like the ecu guys have developed a nice DIY interface and it look like the rest is doable as well(on the cheap of course).We will have to see when I get some time though because I am neck deep in manifolds at the moment

If worst comes to worst tear it out and put in jetronic.That stuff is easy as pie.
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i'm pretty sure jak and i'm sure nick has a tune for the 18T. jak doesn't display some stg. like GT28 and such.
let me clarify, an off the shelf, dyno proven, safe, powerful tune.

anything else would require some form of get tune/dyno/tweak/dyno/etc, which would get expensive imho.



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Old 11-17-2007, 12:13 PM   #13
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Are these cars T5 or T7?
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let me clarify, an off the shelf, dyno proven, safe, powerful tune.

anything else would require some form of get tune/dyno/tweak/dyno/etc, which would get expensive imho.
Not so... The cost of a custom road tune is not far off from a the mark for a mail tune something like Nordic would cost me $1300 for just ECU. Automotion does a SQR custom tune for the same bang buck.
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Are these cars T5 or T7?
Dan's car is a T7, if that is what you are asking.
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Not so... The cost of a custom road tune is not far off from a the mark for a mail tune something like Nordic would cost me $1300 for just ECU. Automotion does a SQR custom tune for the same bang buck.
Now your talking standalone money.I could probably get you in at RS motors for AEM install for that kinda coin.
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Are these cars T5 or T7?
NG900's 1994-1998 & 1999 OG9-3 are all T5. Minus the 1999 OG9-3 Viggen and 1999 9-5 all of which ran T7. Also all OG9-3's starting 2000 ran T7 until 2003. (2002 was the last year of hardtops of the OG9-3. 2003 was the last year of OG9-3's period consisting of only verts.)
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I would get one of these for tuning.

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Now your talking standalone money.I could probably get you in at RS motors for AEM install for that kinda coin.
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http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory...CategoryID=116
Apparently adapting these stand alone systems to run on our cars is not an easy task. People normally go w/ a stand alone called Nira since they already have a an established tuning community with our cars. All of this doesn't mean it can't be done it's just not much headway has been made due to nay sayers always wanting the tried and true regardless of cost.
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Apparently adapting these stand alone systems to run on our cars is not an easy task. People normally go w/ a stand alone called Nira since they already have a an established tuning community with our cars. All of this doesn't mean it can't be done it's just not much headway has been made due to nay sayers always wanting the tried and true regardless of cost.
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