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Old 06-07-2007, 06:46 AM   #1
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Exclamation Forge Intercooler

Look at this link. http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/sale...es_Front_Mount

Will the "Type 06" Intercooler fit my Viggen?


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Old 06-07-2007, 07:15 AM   #2
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that guy is 4.5" thick.....you can make anything fit, but just won't be plug'n'play. with an IC that thick, you'd need to cut the bumper and you also need some pipe fabrication since the inlet/outlet won't line up. BTW 3.5" is the thickest you can go w/o cutting the bumper
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that guy is 4.5" thick.....you can make anything fit, but just won't be plug'n'play. with an IC that thick, you'd need to cut the bumper and you also need some pipe fabrication since the inlet/outlet won't line up. BTW 3.5" is the thickest you can go w/o cutting the bumper
Thanks. I'm going to have to find out the dims on the one that WILL fit and take it from there. I really don't want to spend $600 on a friggin' core.
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why not just get the one from genuinesaab that already fits plug and play? it's pretty damn nice and it cools well. noticeable improvement in the summertime
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why not just get the one from genuinesaab that already fits plug and play? it's pretty damn nice and it cools well. noticeable improvement in the summertime
$500 for a core is steep IMHO, but I'll be getting that unit if I can't figure something else out.
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Its not just the core, its the whole shebang. end tanks and everything. It is the forge IC for our cars.
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Its not just the core, its the whole shebang. end tanks and everything. It is the forge IC for our cars.
Gotcha. Plus it bolts right up, so that's nice.
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that's what I was saying. this is what you get :
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Thanks. I'm going to have to find out the dims on the one that WILL fit and take it from there. I really don't want to spend $600 on a friggin' core.
The new ets core is huge and will fit on your viggen with slight sanding of the end tank welds and inner crash bar. Ask Mark how he likes his unit. The core itself is 24x8x3.5... Its a great core. I can get them right now for about 200.00 under what you said.

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stick with 3.5" thickness and under. You will be very happy with an upgraded intercooler though. Look at the pics john posted with the size difference.
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Old 06-27-2007, 08:53 AM   #12
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I noticed that Automotion (SQR) now states an upgraded intercooler is needed for Stage 4 on the HOT (old 9-3). When I had mine tuned, I did not upgrade my intercooler... For the 185 HP, the intercooler is not listed as a hardware requirement, just the upgraded viggen turbo.
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before i got an ETS ic i got heat soak on stg. 3 on viggen ic, i couldn't imagine what it would be like on stg. 4.
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stick with 3.5" thickness and under. You will be very happy with an upgraded intercooler though. Look at the pics john posted with the size difference.
You have seen to become active in various saab forums and since you're from the factory and speaking of why certains IC are better than other could you fix me (us) real measurements where one can see charge temp/pressure before IC and temp/pressure after IC, also flow and abient temp?
I would be interested to see how the values compare to my poor quality china made IC
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before i got an ETS ic i got heat soak on stg. 3 on viggen ic, i couldn't imagine what it would be like on stg. 4.
Yeah, I had the viggen IC on my stage 3 for a while, I could tell that it was almost doing more harm than good. I actually put the ETS IC in at the same time as the stage 4 that I got so of course its all working better. It was a great bolt on IC. I know that there are other cores (with endtanks) that you can get for cheaper and your own piping but the ease of a bolt on was nice.
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What kind of intercooler are you running? Is this a bar and plate or tube and fin design? There are several reasons not to buy a china intercooler and few reasons why you might want to buy one.

The china intercoolers are made with very poor craftsmanship (most of the workers have never even been in the car or seen one) they also have a pretty good leak rate so they spray on an epoxy to stop the leaking.

They also don't use that great of material, they use whatever will keep the cost down. Sometimes you get a tube and fin intercooler (higher flow / less efficiency ) or a bar and plate (slightly less flow - way better efficiency) it depends what they are using at the time. The internal design of the intercoolers are horrible in most cases there are a few exceptions.

There are a couple threads on the DSM boards where a ton of people have purchased ebay intercoolers and air won't pass through to the radiator due to the design of the fins.

If you look at our intercoolers they are louvered on the outside to keep air flow to the radiator, if we were to stagger our fins like most of the china intercoolers it will block air flow to the radiator causing over heating issues.

We also stagger and offset the internal fins to keep efficency without hurting the flow. The china will use a straight through design that will allow max flow, but will heat soak quickly.

We are in the process of building an intercooler tester that you are talking about and we will provide data shortly.

Do you have any data on your china piece? Not all China intercoolers are bad.. You get what you pay for. With our products we offer a lifetime warrenty that's something you won't find with any China piece.

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I have been out for a while and ETS really surfaced on this board while I was absent. I recall John speaking of their products prior to a representative being on here.

That said, I too am intersted in seeing this data. I too chose to go with a more expensive unit (the Forge) and would love to see how the Forge and ETS units compare in a real world test, as well as how they compare to the cheaper e-bay units.
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The good thing about our products is the results will surface, as we get more and more units out you will see how will they do on the higher HP cars. We also have top notch customer service - it's very hard to find that these days. Thanks again everyone.

We have built several high hp intercoolers.

Check out this video right here - it's a supra running 8.22 (air to air setup good for 1500whp) the mustang in the video also has our water to air setup. Both sponsored by us.

Check it out.

http://www.rrevstore.com/No9s.wmv

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I have the forge because it was the plug and play that was available at the time i was ordering. I didn't want to trim my bumper rails or lose my A/C. however, I am all for a product made in the USA keeping jobs in the USA instead of China.
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What are the dimensions (let's say height and distance center to center between the inlet and outlet) of that intercooler? It looks to be a similar size to the srt4 ic in my basement...
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