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Old 05-02-2007, 11:08 AM   #1
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How hard would it be to drop a manual transmission in my auto 1999 9-3SE?, it would really make the car an amazing driver, and if it is possible, around how much would it cost?.

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Old 05-02-2007, 11:17 AM   #2
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I hope someone can tell you. I am curious also.
it sounds extremely expensive and as far as I know, nobody has ever done it on these newer cars
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Honestly, you're better off selling the automatic car and buying a standard one. There is so much wiring and stuff that tie directly to that automatic transmission, it would take thousands of dollars worth of retrofitted wire and labor just for that aspect of the job. Good luck.

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how much more work could it be than the cable to hydraulic swap?
cept obviously needing the 5sp tranny. and does the autobox have a seperate computer?
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i really dont think its that bad, and wouldnt cost all that much.

atleast on th e9000's it really isnt too bad.



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Old 05-02-2007, 11:23 AM   #6
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my roommate had it done to his GTI which is prolly one of the worst cars ever to swap and it was cheaper than replacing his auto box. saab has to be better than that thing. He paid like 4k but got a stage 2 clutch and other goodies while he was in there.
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:24 AM   #7
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There is an automatic gearbox computer that would no longer be needed and the ECU should not matter as long as the proper reflash was done to it.

As for lots of wires going to the trans I dont really see that many wires that connect to the auto trans. Can you provide a wiring diagram of all the wires your talking about?
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plus if your going to a manual, i think theres like 1 connector on the tranny the rest you could just remove and go on your merry way
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:27 AM   #9
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alrite so it doesnt sound very hard, since I would do everything myself and not pay labor, but how much would a manual trans be, Ive seen them for very cheap but they need a new reverse gear and stuff like that.
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well poeple say it it not worth the cost. HOWEVER if your auto box were to outright fail, and a rebuild is 3000 with labor, or a new one is more than that with labor... then to pay 4 grand would not seem "so expensive" anymore considering it's like having an upgrade.

so yeah, I would like to know real facts about this and not just "it costs too much"
at least to satisfy my curiosity
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Ok you can find the trans on ebay for $275 or so from a place in georgia and the rest of the parts should be able to be had from Laxian, Makeyousaab or someone else who has a parts car laying around for a reasonable price.

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Interestng quote from the 2nd link I posted....

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did the swap in my 97 i did put a 5 speed computer in it and just pulled the plug for tcm out of the trionic main plug and taped them up or else you will have check engine and gearbox.... abs will be fine the only thing i have problems with is i have no cruise due to the fact that there is no sensor plug for the clutch pedal..
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:36 AM   #13
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yeah, just mod the auto!
get stage 3 or stage 3+ and you just might poop in your pants once you see how it goes when you stomp it
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This one too..... makes me think this is doable for the parts cost plus some time.

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i have just did this swap in my 1997 900 se it is very easy just unbolt automatic shifter assembly install 5 speed setup and trany unplug tcm module and jump pin connector 6 and 10 on the transmission shift indicator harness for the starter kill took me about 5 hrs all together and the it is a very big difference!!!!! :P
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hmm, other than the fun to drive factor, how much faster would it actually make my car?
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hmm, other than the fun to drive factor, how much faster would it actually make my car?
That depends on the driver. It won't make the engine any better, but a human can usually shift faster than an auto trans.
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It would not make the car but a few tenths faster but it would allow you to go to a higher staged ECU then an Automagic would.
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Old 05-02-2007, 11:44 AM   #18
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And I am sure that extra gear helps a lot too, but if i can have a fast car with an auto, then I am not gonna stress about the manual.
Since I am used to working on Hondas, which are very slow with automatics, I figured the tranny wouldn't hold up well to mods.
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That depends on the driver. It won't make the engine any better, but a human can usually shift faster than an auto trans.

Um not usually the case. The auto trans is non foulable and the results are repeatable all the time where the manual transmission is subject to user error and tire spin in most cases.

Look at big block muscle cars and you will see a host of Turbo400's and Turbo 350's in them with line locks becuase the transmissions are bullet proof and foul proof in most cases.
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And I am sure that extra gear helps a lot too, but if i can have a fast car with an auto, then I am not gonna stress about the manual.
Since I am used to working on Hondas, which are very slow with automatics, I figured the tranny wouldn't hold up well to mods.
This tranny is the same trans fitted to the Volvo 850R's. The Volvo community has seen a cap of about 350BHP out of the trans before major failures start. However the power is not whats going to kill the box. The application of torque is what will kill the trans.

look at abdukteds Dyno graph and you will see that the torque comes on more gradual then if you looked at any Stage 3+ 5speed car. That is the safegaurd to keep the tranny from grenading.
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