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Old 10-25-2011, 08:48 PM   #1
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Winols for the v6 is now working

I finally branched out and got the module for Winols and the stuff to tune v6 cars and I now have the mail in tunes available, just tested everything today and the ecu reads and writes just fine, so I now have the v6 ecu flashing on the bench Yee-Haaa

I think I see something in the code that may be related to the speed limiter, have heard another tuning company will remove the speed limit when you get the tune, so it is possible, just need to test it one time

I got a turbo x running nice and another 250bhp v6 and will put the turbo x on the dyno next week,

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Awesome Jon, may be interested in a mild tune for my wifes 08 aero - I figure for the 250hp cars, it must be a pretty safe tune up to the 280/300hp spec of the turbo X and 9-4x. Keep us posted!
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Old 10-26-2011, 07:28 AM   #4
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Awesome Jon, may be interested in a mild tune for my wifes 08 aero - I figure for the 250hp cars, it must be a pretty safe tune up to the 280/300hp spec of the turbo X and 9-4x. Keep us posted!
I would say you are correct, up to 290bhp would be fairly safe and well within the safety limits of the car. 320bhp is definetely pushing it to the limit of the stock hard ware, not sure I would feel too comfortable pushing a tune to that limit, but one company does just that,

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P.S. I need you to test the speed limit See if you can go faster than 240kph or even 250kph Can you imagine, hey honey, could you run a quick test for me today, just see if you can go 160mph real quick, thanks....

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That would be especially dangerous today with the snow on the roads.
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Old 10-30-2011, 11:28 AM   #7
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v6 ecu tuning on the bench complete :-)

I finished testing the v6 me9.6 ecu today and I had no issues and have the v6 ecu reading and writing on the bench with no issues This means people can overnight me the ecu for tuning for much less money. The ecu is easy to get to, its right on the top of the back of the motor and only requires 3 10mm bolts to be losened and two ground wires, about 10 minutes and its out and in your hands, very small too, size of a cd case,

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Old 11-01-2011, 10:02 PM   #8
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Eric make 340bhp 387wtrq

Got Eric's car on the dyno today, did not get to test some other files I had with more ignition timing, but the car did fairly well. He has a 3"dp and that is it, its the stock turbo. He ended up making the best numbers of 272whp and 387wtrq, that would be 340bhp and way over 400 ft-lbs of torque with 20% drive train loss for AWD.

Here is the one dyno that we did get to come out ok, had trouble with laptop and pick up at the dyno, long story.

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That looks great! Those numbers are very close to what VTuner makes on stock hardware. There seems to be some extra torque on yours but that could be down to using two different dynos.
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John, you should check out a FWD sportcombi v6 ECU if you want to figure out the speedlimiter, Aireeca's '07 is limited to around 140mph indicated, or 129mph on the GPS (super annoying) should give you a pretty solid indicator of where the speed limiter is. I'd think that would be pretty important for folks who have cars with that ridiculously low limit (not sure exactly what cars that would be)

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Old 11-02-2011, 05:20 AM   #11
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I use the old style classic ignition coil pickup ( on the ignition wire at the coil. )


Odd that spool curve looks to be software controlled. Have any different start speed runs to check? Controlled opening rate like the cobalt/hhr TC?
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2.0 GOOSE 500whp + 8500rpm = 11.06 @125 E85
Viggen 439whp / 447tq 12.43 @114 on Gt2871.64, (Now 511whp Gt3076)
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Nick, we also used an ignition coil wire for spark pickup. We did three pulls, all starting at different rpms; 1400, 2200 and 2400. All three had the same spool-up and max torque at 3000 rpms.

Due to a laptop issue we were not able to connect to the ECU and tune. So the current file is mild and not optimized. We monitored boost pressure and data logged OBD2 data. Boost peaked at 18 psi for this run, settled to 16 for a bit and faded to 5 psi by redline. IAT heat soaked a bit and started at 100 F, they climbed to 130 F by the end of the run. Ambient temps in the dyno shop were 65 F. A few 4th gear pulls on the way to the dyno shop showed max IAT of 105 F. So the lack of air flow pushed up IAT by 25 F on the dyno.

Here is the YouTube video of the dyno run.
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That looks great! Those numbers are very close to what VTuner makes on stock hardware.
Todd - Keep in mind that this is and XWD Saab, so the drive train losses are higher than the FWD. The best pull put down 272 whp, using 20% XWD loss puts it at 340 hp crank.

The 387 wheel torque max comes out to 483 crank torque. But this was caused by a boost spike which we would like to get better control over. Spiking the boost causes it to fall off too much before settling out. I had this issue with my NG900 when I used a MBC. With some dyno tuning I would like to shoot for 450-460 max torque and a flatter torque curve in the middle.

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I do realize the drivetrain differences. When you take out the initial spike we're very close. I don't see it mentioned but are you auto or manual?
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Power is close, the catless downpipe helps my peak hp. It's a manual.
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Damn, so much torque! I wonder how the driveline is going to hold to all of that....
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Old 11-03-2011, 08:31 AM   #17
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It does not seem to be a problem, I know guys have been running 425-450 for a while now and some guys are getting ready to go gt3071 and make close to 500 ft-lbs, we shall see. It would be cool to find out how much torque it takes to spin all 4 tires at 50 mph

I was planning on smoothing out the torque spike, but had a laptop issue, we are going back to the dyno to smooth a few things out soon,

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Can somebody offer a little Winols tutorial?
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You should call the people you "bought" it from, they support you when you buy their product.
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