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Old 03-11-2008, 10:54 PM   #1
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9-5 rear sway bar now available

I'm not really trying to give a plug here, but I know there are 9-5 enthusiasts out there who'd like to know that an uprated rear sway bar (22mm) is now available. I plan on picking one of these up this summer since the base 9-5 rolls like a boat.

sasab.com has them
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nice, thanks, i am gonna check that out!

this is not saabnet it's totally appreciated to let us know of new products
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Finish the front bar, with my lowered and stiff shocks it's become very apparent that I need sway bar front and back.
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Cool. Do you know what size the 04 Aero rear bar is? That has been an upgrade to the earlier cars for a while.
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The rear bar is the same on all the aeros, roughly 17mm.
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cool so for an 04 aero this is an upgrade. Nice.

put one on my wish list
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Awesome!
I will order one as soon as I start working again.

Runs to sasaab to check price

Edit: $180 for the bar and poly bushings isn't really all that bad. AND it says that they are currently testing the front bar :P
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Be careful when adding a rear bar and not the front as well. You will experience some strange handling characteristics when stiffening the rear.

Too stiff a rear bar in a front-wheel drive will result in a much higher likelihood of a spin if you lift-off mid-corner. A soft rear bar also results in plenty of understeer Ė something which is good for safety in the averagely-driven commuter car. However, if you donít go to extremes, itís quite possible to gain better turn-in and much improved mid-corner balance with a bigger rear bar. (Or the installation of one where none previously existed!) Youíll also find that the car can be much better throttle-steered Ė back-off the throttle a little and the rear will come out gradually; get back on the power and the car will follow the cornering line.

The acid test is cornering on a wet road with a load in the back Ė you donít want the rear so stiff that a slight throttle lift will cause the car to spin. But to get this effect in an otherwise standard car, you usually have to make a radical difference to rear sway bar size.

Note that a front-wheel drive with an over-stiff rear sway bar (or more correctly, too high a total rear roll stiffness) will feel great up to 8/10ths Ė turn-in will be sharp and the car will sit flat. But go that extra step and you can be bitten. In standard cars weíve only ever experienced this once Ė but that car could spin literally in its own length.... see the end of New Car Test - Piloting the 1999 Hyundai FX Coupe.

We donít want to frighten you Ė make the modification with common sense and youíve nothing to worry about. But there is a reason that 99 per cent of manufacturers donít go over-stiff with the rear... and itís something you should know about.
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point well taken. I think that a bigger rear sway bar is well thought out, but testing needs to be done to verify this. The rear tires on a 9-5 are very under utilized, even in normal driving. After 8k miles, the rear tires on my 9-5 look new while the fronts are almost done. Plus the amount of body roll really disorients the driver.

I don't think a 22mm bar is to dangerous considering many people put that on their NG900/9-3 and we don't here about them totaling their cars.

I wish I could do skidpad tests in parking lots lol.
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Be careful when adding a rear bar and not the front as well. You will experience some strange handling characteristics when stiffening the rear.

Too stiff a rear bar in a front-wheel drive will result in a much higher likelihood of a spin if you lift-off mid-corner. A soft rear bar also results in plenty of understeer Ė something which is good for safety in the averagely-driven commuter car. However, if you donít go to extremes, itís quite possible to gain better turn-in and much improved mid-corner balance with a bigger rear bar. (Or the installation of one where none previously existed!) Youíll also find that the car can be much better throttle-steered Ė back-off the throttle a little and the rear will come out gradually; get back on the power and the car will follow the cornering line.

The acid test is cornering on a wet road with a load in the back Ė you donít want the rear so stiff that a slight throttle lift will cause the car to spin. But to get this effect in an otherwise standard car, you usually have to make a radical difference to rear sway bar size.

Note that a front-wheel drive with an over-stiff rear sway bar (or more correctly, too high a total rear roll stiffness) will feel great up to 8/10ths Ė turn-in will be sharp and the car will sit flat. But go that extra step and you can be bitten. In standard cars weíve only ever experienced this once Ė but that car could spin literally in its own length.... see the end of New Car Test - Piloting the 1999 Hyundai FX Coupe.

We donít want to frighten you Ė make the modification with common sense and youíve nothing to worry about. But there is a reason that 99 per cent of manufacturers donít go over-stiff with the rear... and itís something you should know about.
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A good warning, but I think most of the people lusting after this mod know this. I want stiffer bars all around, my 01 spec front bar is especially bad. I've got waaaaay too much body roll.
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Old 03-13-2008, 06:10 PM   #11
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I hear ya Raven, just thought I'd make everyone aware of the side effects. I for one can't wait till mine gets here, nothing like throttle steering
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I think I'm gonna wait for a front and rear kit, putting a rear bar on my car now would make for death.
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Ya, but don't you want to drift?
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I want to get front and rear as well to pair with my G&M(swedish) / H&R spring setup and Konis. I've heard that the front ARB install is a monster though. Anybody have any info about this? Cheers.
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I thought I read somewhere that the subframe needs to come off fro the front. Maybe I am thinking of something else.
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Yesterday I put the car up on the lift to check out the sway bars and how much work it was going to be. The front will be a huge PITA but the rear won't be so bad. On the rear all you need to remove is the under-axle exhaust pipe and it will drop right out. The front on the other hand will definitely need a little more work. We will see when there is one(front bar) actually available.
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I thought I read somewhere that the subframe needs to come off fro the front. Maybe I am thinking of something else.
That's the easiest way to install the bar itself, but the most work I'm sure.

I hear you can snake the thing in there if you take out one of the front struts.

Fong, any idea when abouts we'll be seeing a front sway bar for the 9-5? Not gonna hold you to it or anything, just an estimate.
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eh...i am not associated with sasab lol. I was just excited to see someone make this. I too would prefer both installing both bars at the same time.
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Hmmmmm, I shall hassle them then.
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This is a fairly common mod on a lot of very front-heavy FWD cars, such as VR6-equipped VW's. Some aftermarket suspension tuners such as Dick Shine actually remove the front bar altogether.

If the 9-5 was natively lift-off tailhappy with its OEM suspension geometry, in the same way a stock Subaru is, I'd advise against this mod without other accompanying suspension mods + uprated tires. As it is, I'd doubt this would radically change the character of these understeering pigs.
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