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04-02-2013 09:13 AM
Aikmanson Just Empty Every Pocket, in full effect. Bought a bumper and front fogs, had to drill some holes for the fogs on the side as well as license plate holes (fucking NY). Also painted the headlight bezel surrounds black, so no more chrome on the Jeep.

Anyway I think it came out great.



I have a Winch and heavy duty winch plate on order... as well as clear corners to replace the orange crap.
02-24-2013 05:25 PM
Aikmanson No real updates here. Took my first 'difficult' trip off-roading last weekend, performed great. 1 foot of snow on some uneasy/muddy terrain, no problem for these smooth tires. Also forded my first river's.

Been buying a few things here and there for it, can't wait for summer. If anyone here wants one but is on the fence, just buy one, you wont regret it.
02-04-2013 06:01 AM
VI009DZ
02-01-2013 01:13 PM
mike saunders ...and shitloads of torque for rock crawling.

nothin' but win....
02-01-2013 01:09 PM
VI009DZ
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Originally Posted by Turbo00 View Post
FWIW, I <3 it. I will definitely own one at some point, and the TJ is by far my favorite gen. Buddy of mine has a 94 YJ that he's in the middle of putting a 4bt cummins in:

That's the only way to go, either the 3.3 or 3.9 (both considered 4BT's though).

25mpg, black smoke, cool sound.......
02-01-2013 12:37 PM
Turbo00 FWIW, I <3 it. I will definitely own one at some point, and the TJ is by far my favorite gen. Buddy of mine has a 94 YJ that he's in the middle of putting a 4bt cummins in:

02-01-2013 11:42 AM
mike saunders
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Wow talk about a shit-storm since I last posted. You guys can hate on Wranglers all you want, but you clearly don't understand them, and thats fine. It's a hard thing to understand and if you gotta ask, then don't bother. Glad your backing them up a bit here Palmer.

I believe my generation (TJ 97-06), is much better on road than older jeeps. Is it a car? No. Does it get good gas mileage? No. Can I carry shit? With no rear seat, yes, a lot.

Anyway as of now, I love it. I will probably snag up a small RWD DD for the summer if gas is killing me (miata perhaps), but for now I will just enjoy.
I wouldn't sweat the gas. I got 10-12 mpg -- highway! -- in my old Grand Wagoneer, but I loved that car like another kid. There's just something about hearing a big-ass V8 turn over in the morning, kind of like an angry giant being shaken awake...
02-01-2013 11:34 AM
Aikmanson Wow talk about a shit-storm since I last posted. You guys can hate on Wranglers all you want, but you clearly don't understand them, and thats fine. It's a hard thing to understand and if you gotta ask, then don't bother. Glad your backing them up a bit here Palmer.

I believe my generation (TJ 97-06), is much better on road than older jeeps. Is it a car? No. Does it get good gas mileage? No. Can I carry shit? With no rear seat, yes, a lot.

Anyway as of now, I love it. I will probably snag up a small RWD DD for the summer if gas is killing me (miata perhaps), but for now I will just enjoy.
02-01-2013 08:30 AM
mike saunders
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Wasn't that Jeep test found to be cheated a bit? Mike, you are a good man to get the source on that lol.
Yeah, they fudged it by a lot....which is surprising because that newer GC was based on the Mercedes-Benz chassis...

I'd still get the new wrangler in a heartbeat...
01-31-2013 11:58 AM
Palmer Do you people READ the other posts in threads, or just kinda put in your .02, and then just leave?

Just wondering.
01-31-2013 11:55 AM
Escargot
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I just don't get them.

I like the concept and think they are sharp looking, but

I've driven wranglers, and I felt like once the novelty wore off... I was just driving an uncomfortable and loud piece of military surplus. The seats are terrible. The on-road handling is terrible. The fuel economy is terrible and on a quiet night here in Vermont you can hear them rust. They are outrageously expensive, but that helps for resale on the other end I guess. There is no room to move anything with them.

I drive an 800$ 98 forester in mud season. It's great. Its a box on wheels with the seats down, it's like a pickup truck. I'd have to spend 6 times that to get into a wrangler with as much or more rust. I've had it for 3 years and have done front brakes and powersteering line.

I think a wrangler is a toy, and I'd love to have one for that. I can't imagine driving one everyday. Maybe they've improved.
That's pretty much my assessment of them as well. If you have a specific need for one, that's fine, otherwise I don't think they're practical as daily drivers, nor you're getting much for what you paid. Had an ex-coworker who was gung-ho about getting some sort of a Jeep after selling his last car. He had a 80 mi round trip daily commute for work, and I tried hard to talk him out of it (his more expensive alternate choice was the Toyota FJ). The last I heard, he sold the Wrangler after a little more than a year.
01-30-2013 05:46 PM
Palmer ^ you need to go for a ride. You will be impressed. They drive very well.

For what it is, the 2012+ with the 3.6 V6 are great trucks.
01-30-2013 05:01 PM
Cark
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I just don't get them.

I like the concept and think they are sharp looking, but

I've driven wranglers, and I felt like once the novelty wore off... I was just driving an uncomfortable and loud piece of military surplus. The seats are terrible. The on-road handling is terrible. The fuel economy is terrible and on a quiet night here in Vermont you can hear them rust. They are outrageously expensive, but that helps for resale on the other end I guess. There is no room to move anything with them.

I drive an 800$ 98 forester in mud season. It's great. Its a box on wheels with the seats down, it's like a pickup truck. I'd have to spend 6 times that to get into a wrangler with as much or more rust. I've had it for 3 years and have done front brakes and powersteering line.

I think a wrangler is a toy, and I'd love to have one for that. I can't imagine driving one everyday. Maybe they've improved.
Pretty much nailed it! My buddy just bought a brand new 4 door and I had a really hard time pretending to be excited for him. Maybe the newer ones are better, but I still feel they are grossly overpriced.
01-30-2013 04:51 PM
Jameson
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Originally Posted by mike saunders View Post
Plus, what full-size Jeep owner is going to try to evade a fucking moose?

That's dinner, bro.
Wasn't that Jeep test found to be cheated a bit? Mike, you are a good man to get the source on that lol.
01-30-2013 03:47 PM
Palmer No doubt.

I feel like some people don't "get" the wrangler (in particular) because there is nothing else out there to compare it to directly...

This test being a great example.
2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon vs. 2012 Mercedes-Benz G550 – Comparison Test – Car and Driver
01-30-2013 03:28 PM
mike saunders Plus, what full-size Jeep owner is going to try to evade a fucking moose?

That's dinner, bro.
01-30-2013 03:11 PM
Palmer I'm super impressed with my friends 2012 JKUL. Smooth and quiet...with a Dana 44 rear axle. Ha.

The new ones are to the point that there are really no compromises made for daily use.

Plus, that jeep video posted above has nothing to do with the Wrangler...
01-30-2013 02:35 PM
gm My 99's wranglers seats actually aren't to bad. Not close to as comfy as my viggens seats but better then every other vehicle I own except for the newer jeep. I can push snow all day in the thing and feel fine. Road manners aren't to bad..... However my level of expectation is pretty low since it is a jeep

The 08 unlimited also has descent seats, far better then the in laws ford escape. It's road manners are similar to just about any other small SUV. My wife loves hers...... My complaint I will say again is the engine.... It's so gutless.... The newest engine is far superior with its 80+ hp increase. But yes if interested in a SUV they aren't to bad to live with daily. I couldn't do it...... Rather drive a miata daily
01-30-2013 12:31 PM
nowhereman i like how both the volvo and the VW are pretty much fine.

also love how jeep engineers "solve" the problem by putting less weight in it
01-30-2013 11:19 AM
Saabeh I would still buy a new Overland if I was in the market for an SUV that size.
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