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12-04-2012 09:05 AM
lowbudgethero
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Originally Posted by mike saunders View Post
Practicing skid recovery is smart -- two HUGE thumbs up for this; more people should do this -- but I was just commenting on the "drifting" thing, which is often wrongly used to describe anything on the edge of control.

It's sort of, kind of, almost possible in FWD on a loose surface (google the "Scandinavian flick") but doing it properly requires RWD and a decent power to weight ratio. And lots of tires.
On a cold days I've had my back end come out a few times on fast 90* turns, one scary, the rest were easily controllable. Pleasantly surprised it can do that, definitely not a true drift though.
12-03-2012 11:56 AM
mike saunders
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Originally Posted by falcon21 View Post
Every winter I practice driving in the snow to get a feel for how my car reacts, as the tires wear it changes. I pick an open area where no one else is around and make my car slide and then recover. I don't beat on the car, I'm just practicing so that if I do lose control in the snow I know how to react.
Practicing skid recovery is smart -- two HUGE thumbs up for this; more people should do this -- but I was just commenting on the "drifting" thing, which is often wrongly used to describe anything on the edge of control.

It's sort of, kind of, almost possible in FWD on a loose surface (google the "Scandinavian flick") but doing it properly requires RWD and a decent power to weight ratio. And lots of tires.
12-03-2012 11:33 AM
falcon21
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Originally Posted by mike saunders View Post
Not in a Saab, homeslice.
Every winter I practice driving in the snow to get a feel for how my car reacts, as the tires wear it changes. I pick an open area where no one else is around and make my car slide and then recover. I don't beat on the car, I'm just practicing so that if I do lose control in the snow I know how to react.
11-14-2012 08:38 PM
StoneSilver Just put my car in "Winter Rally Mode"
- Double 3's are packed away in my warm basement
- Mounted Roof racks and fairing
- Put on Stock SE rims with Nitto SN2 Winter Tires
- Changed Oil and all that other fun stuff

Pictures Tomorrow
11-14-2012 08:24 PM
snowsaab
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Originally Posted by mike saunders View Post
Orange.
11-14-2012 03:20 PM
mike saunders
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Originally Posted by Saabeh View Post
My snow setup this year:


What color should I Plasti-dip these suckers?
Orange.
11-14-2012 11:11 AM
Sleepy7666
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Originally Posted by Saabeh View Post
My snow setup this year:





Klingons with 225/45-17 Dunlop Graspic DS-2.

What color should I Plasti-dip these suckers?
White
11-13-2012 07:38 AM
Saabeh My snow setup this year:





Klingons with 225/45-17 Dunlop Graspic DS-2.

What color should I Plasti-dip these suckers?
11-12-2012 08:50 PM
mike saunders
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Originally Posted by falcon21 View Post
I can't wait until the snow flies so I can drift in the snow.
Not in a Saab, homeslice.
11-12-2012 10:43 AM
falcon21 I can't wait until the snow flies so I can drift in the snow.
11-06-2012 03:12 PM
Slow Joe
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Originally Posted by StoneSilver View Post
Last Night I scored 4 Brand New Nitto NT90W FO...FREE! On SE rims already mounted and Balanced. Such a Win.

I've never heard of Nitto, let alone their winter tires. Good Tires?
Nitto makes some AWESOME drag radials/road race tires.

Not sure about their winter tires though...
11-06-2012 10:33 AM
BobSabbert
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Originally Posted by sab View Post
Winter is absolutely terrible down here in Melbourne, Australia… we get down to where it is as cold as 12C during the day (53F) and down to 5C (41F) at night… bloody freezing cold! A bit of rain although not as much as Autumn and Spring… I just run same tyres year round and no special preparation for the cars! Dunno what that white stuff is in a few of the pics.

Coming into Summer right now… days are long and sun is glorious! got at least another 6 months to wait for winter.
11-06-2012 06:04 AM
StoneSilver Last Night I scored 4 Brand New Nitto SN2 FO...FREE! On SE rims already mounted and Balanced. Such a Win.

I've never heard of Nitto, let alone their winter tires. Good Tires?
11-02-2012 07:26 AM
dantinne
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Originally Posted by Saabeh View Post
I choose not only to be confident in my driving abilities but also use the best tires I can in all situations. Nothing wrong with increasing the odds of being safer, no brainer for me.
I agree.

High performance tires are shitty in the winter. Since I need to use an alternate set of tires in the winter months, it makes more sense to get awesome tires instead of good-enough tires.

I don't feel like I'm trying to compensate for poor driving skills.
11-02-2012 06:58 AM
mike saunders
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Originally Posted by Slow Joe View Post
Honestly I think snow tires are overkill for most people. Are they nice and do they give you extra security and peace of mind, yes.

That being said I run all seasons. Altimax HP or ExtremeContact DWS are my preferences. My wife drives a minimum 150-200 miles for work depending on the day of the week and has never had problems on either one of those tires, nor on her stock P6s.

I'm no expert but between her and I we accumulate over 70k/year on our cars on all seasons with no issues.

I agree to some small degree. I have neighbors and relatives who always run cheap all-seasons and have never had issues. I've know at least two folks involved in minor fender-benders who wished they had better tires (but one of those cases was definitely too much speed and too little skill)

But it's worth considering similar cases:

Would you buy a brake pad that had been proven to stop your car 30 feet faster at 30 mph? Would you mod your car to give it improved handling at lower temperatures?

People put all sorts of additives in their tanks, but would they buy something that could provably reduce accidents? Dunno....

I think the Quebec law requiring winter tires is an overreach by government, but I'd love to see insurance discounts for winter tire purchases to encourage more folks to buy them. People who refuse to use winter tires in winter are helping keep insurance rates high for everyone.

In Quebec, Winter Tire Law Reaps a Modest Measure of Success - NYTimes.com
11-02-2012 06:26 AM
Saabeh I choose not only to be confident in my driving abilities but also use the best tires I can in all situations. Nothing wrong with increasing the odds of being safer, no brainer for me.
11-01-2012 05:32 PM
snowsaab
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Originally Posted by sab View Post
Winter is absolutely terrible down here in Melbourne, Australia… we get down to where it is as cold as 12C during the day (53F) and down to 5C (41F) at night….
I envy you lol.


Typical Wisconsin winters are 35F during the day and 15F at night. Sometimes, we have days its 10-20F daytime and below zero at night!

Not to mention alot of snow, which i dont mind. Im an avid skier and snowmobiler
11-01-2012 04:49 PM
sab Winter is absolutely terrible down here in Melbourne, Australia… we get down to where it is as cold as 12C during the day (53F) and down to 5C (41F) at night… bloody freezing cold! A bit of rain although not as much as Autumn and Spring… I just run same tyres year round and no special preparation for the cars! Dunno what that white stuff is in a few of the pics.

Coming into Summer right now… days are long and sun is glorious! got at least another 6 months to wait for winter.
11-01-2012 04:45 PM
Slow Joe Honestly I think snow tires are overkill for most people. Are they nice and do they give you extra security and peace of mind, yes.

That being said I run all seasons. Altimax HP or ExtremeContact DWS are my preferences. My wife drives a minimum 150-200 miles for work depending on the day of the week and has never had problems on either one of those tires, nor on her stock P6s.

I'm no expert but between her and I we accumulate over 70k/year on our cars on all seasons with no issues.
11-01-2012 03:23 PM
mike saunders
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Originally Posted by BobSabbert View Post
The problem I have with all-seasons is that the first season to wear off is Winter.
This x 1,000

Using "all-season" tires in winter can be done...it just presents a level of risk that some people are't comfortable with. Since I'm commuting 80-90 miles a day, and often leave before roads are properly salted and sanded, I'd like to increase my odds of getting home.

I run Nokian WRs on the 9-5, and have used Hakkapelittas in the past. I've also used Michelin all-seasons (maybe Symmetry or a similar one) and the difference was HUGE...
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