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10-21-2011 04:18 PM
snowsaab
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Originally Posted by mike saunders View Post
Maybe it has changed since the 90s but....I used to work in Delray and lived in Boca and would drive to South Beach rather than hang out in WPB, which was a sad hole with exactly one (!) decent nightspot. Most of the county was even sadder, unless you were 55 and an early retiree with ample coke and cash to burn picking up rebounding divorcees.

Ditto for FTL, but just drop the median age to 45.

I spent most of my time in Florida working extremely hard to leave.
LOL, well you nailed it on the head on most of it. Last time i was in wpb was 4 yrs ago, i had a condo on singer island. wasnt ritzy, but it was super laid back and heaven being a half block from the beach. and it wasnt really gangy either. i didnt live there either, just spent alot of time down there to get away from WI, back when i had lotta $$$ and nothing better to do.
i think the east coast of FLA was 101 times better than the west aka blue hair central or "heavens waiting room". Jupiter Beach= the best imo.



but yes, back to shocks. so....kyb shocks and koni springs would be a good combo for lowering.
10-20-2011 07:08 PM
Aero02
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Originally Posted by 2002 93SE View Post
lol im crying for that viper owner lol.... but yea mike took me for a ride in his 95 and took an off ramp at like 65 (scared the shit outta me lol) no screeching and felt flat... i did that same off ramp and at 45-50 tires were screeching and felt like we were going to roll... prolly helped that he had the RKII's and wide tires but i doubt its all on that
I got to drive a Viggen recently that had unknown suspension mods. Definitely had new lowering springs/shocks as well as the sub-frame brace, but the PO did the work and the current owner wasn't sure what it all was.

There is a series of on/off-ramps by me that contains high speed straights, a few small tight turns and a series of cloverleafs in succession. I've taken this at least a hundred times in various cars. Compared to my Koni/Eibach 9-5 Aero it just felt sloppy. I'm not sure how better to describe it, honestly. Along with stability in the corners, braking stability was noticeably worse.

All that said, I'd still like to own one. =)

Also, while were comparing the handling of Saab's. I couldn't believe how much better my old SPG handled than the modified 9-5. SPG was on unknown and very old suspension, too. The whole car cost me as much as the suspension on the Aero.
10-20-2011 07:07 PM
gm yea.... several cars that I have passed.... would be very pissed if a fwd family hauler was faster. Some people just do not know how to drive & think just buying a expensive car will make them fast.

Yea tires do a lot, different tread on your car & 10-20 mph might be a easy upgrade. And since his tires were quiet he migh be 10 mph under what his car can do.

Just like suspension... tires make a HUGE umprovement in handling.
10-20-2011 06:01 PM
2002 93SE lol im crying for that viper owner lol.... but yea mike took me for a ride in his 95 and took an off ramp at like 65 (scared the shit outta me lol) no screeching and felt flat... i did that same off ramp and at 45-50 tires were screeching and felt like we were going to roll... prolly helped that he had the RKII's and wide tires but i doubt its all on that
10-20-2011 05:47 PM
gm yea... if your stuff is stock anything will be better!!!! Boge, Sachs, KYB etc will all be a nice improvement. Some used suspension stuff was posted on this site just a few days ago, possibly jump on some of that if it's still available

it would be interesting to know how much better a 9-5 handles vs a 9-3 where the same driver takes it around a track. Back when my viggen was bone stock I have beaten vipers, various generations 911 turbo's, M3's of various years& the list goes on...... also been beaten by a showroom stock Civic..... all at Putnam Park Man waiving that civic by still hurts...... be it good or bad viggen isn't stock now
10-20-2011 05:01 PM
2002 93SE yea i felt sad when Mike D's 9-5 wagon out handled me.... im not trying to look "kuel"... just looking to have fun with what ever ligh is left in my 93... it has 150k on it engine is strong but i think its still on its original suspension... i figured beef it up a little and have fun also to keep up with my buddies that all drive subby's who leave me in the dust on corners... ill even go with stock struts ans viggen springs if that helps
10-19-2011 04:08 PM
gm
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Originally Posted by 2legit2quit View Post
Please do not be an asshat and act like im saying i have all the cheapest shit on my car,
LOL... you seem to be the asshat I do not believe I stated you have all cheap crap on there, just referring to a "return on investment" comment. Spending $800 on dampers... of course the car isn't worth $800 more. But it sure rides, drives & handles a lot better then a $400 set, that's all I am saying. To some it's worth it & to others it's obviously not..... & nothing wrong with either option.

I went with the OEM strut bearings & they only lasted 2 years before they were trashed. Just replaced them with Genuinesaab's solid/filled bearings. Hopefully I will get more life out of these....

Mostly daily use here as well.... hauling 3 kids to soccer etc... hopefully next year I can take the car to a roadcoarse again, been a few years since I have done that.

& FWIW being poor doesn't get any better..... married last year.... she has 3 kids (husband died of cancer) & I haven't had a paycheck for 16 months & counting....... ugh.....
10-19-2011 03:30 PM
BobSabbert +1 - No, an NG900 or 9-3 is not going to be the world's best handling car. That doesn't mean it can't be a very good handling car. If we go with the "not until I have a car that's stellar" then a lot of us are going to be waiting a very long time to accumulate the $150 to $200K for a supercar. By the same token, skip any power mods, etc. Let's face it, if you want to only do what makes economic sense or results in a superb car, no Saab is a good choice.

Or, make some mods and have a very nice car to drive while you drive it. Perfect? No. But still very nice and a lot of fun.
10-19-2011 03:26 PM
2legit2quit
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Originally Posted by gm View Post

Simply buying stuff only due to worrying about a return on investment is just stupid. If that's your only concern why not go buy a $1,000 beater car and just drive that until the wheels fall off since we will not get what we paid for our cars when it's time to sell them.
Please do not be an asshat and act like im saying i have all the cheapest shit on my car,

Im a saab enthusiast, i have all the braces, and downpipes, and shit, but being in college, and using my saab more as a DD and stage 3 to have fun on the highway and romp around town is fine. I buy alot of shit used off tsl and SC. But idk i just cannot see myself wanting to pay 800+ $ on konis and if the guy isnt tool/space/mechanicaly inclined thennn hes looking at a pretty penny for labor and then will need an alignment and would probably be close to 1000$ balls deep into his suspension.

heres my suspension list and got this all done under ~ 350$
KYBs excel-g x2 ~
Koni lowering springs ~ new from saabkid
Front strut bearing - Part Code: 4909701 x2 - eeuro
Tie Rod End # 4242749 x2- eeuro -

and i happened to do my ball joints while i was in there and had to get an alignment.
10-19-2011 01:57 PM
gm I plan on keeping my car for a while so getting my money back out of stuff I buy for it is a non issue for me. I do not believe any aftermarket mod on ANY car will increase the value of a car & allow you to get your money back. So spending what.... $400 on a set of cheaper dampers that will crap out in a few years and need repleced again seems like more of a waste to me vs doing it right the first time. My OEM shocks which many claim are superior to KYB were competely shot at 42K miles when I purchased the car. I didn't have the fund & replaced my OEM dampers at about 70K miles if I recall. I have 113K on the car now & the koni's are just like new.

Simply buying stuff only due to worrying about a return on investment is just stupid. If that's your only concern why not go buy a $1,000 beater car and just drive that until the wheels fall off since we will not get what we paid for our cars when it's time to sell them.

For me proper suspension & other chassis stuff just makes the car much more enjoyable to live in. That is more important to HP/TQ to me thus spending money on koni's & all the other braces was worth it, however I did pay under $500 new for my spring/shocks.

Yea I do hate it that these cars need so much bracing.... but like many I do not have the funds to buy something newer & hope to get another 100K miles out of my car before it's time to replace it. Thus I want to make it the best car I can....
10-19-2011 10:24 AM
2legit2quit
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Originally Posted by gm View Post
then I would go buy a kia or honda..... good thing you don't know how much my Hertz Mille 6.5 in component set is worth, going in my car next week hopefully along with a bunch of other stuff........


kyb's were horrible in C900's but many claim solid in the newer saab's. I am a koni fan & think they are worth the money but it's not for everyone.

As people have stated for years KYB = Keep Your Bilstein's

If you plan on dropping it I would do it right the first time..... koni's or another quality shock
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Originally Posted by spgproject View Post
personally, i've talked to numerous people who have stated that a stock 9-5 aero will out handle any og9-3 with all the right mods. thus, i decided that the koni's were a waste of money - my thinking was, once i'm ready to spend money on a good handling car, i'll buy a car that actually has the potential to handle well. on any car that has a competent platform, it is absolutly worth the money for quality dampers. but spending almost $700 on dampers for a floppy-ass 9-3: waste.
I had the same thought, youll never recover that 700$ either if you ever sell the car.
10-19-2011 08:57 AM
Turbo00 I understand your point, and the 9-3 chassis is pretty lame as far as handling prowess. However, a significant improvement over 'absolute shit' is still an improvement, lol. Between the suspension, brace/clamp, poly bushings, 6-pt, rear bar you'd be in for around $1200 and have a pretty well-handling car. For me, I know I'll be dd'ing my viggen for at least (hopefully) another 50k+, so everything I can do to make those miles more fun, I'll do. It's still cheaper than buying an S4 or a 335.
10-19-2011 07:40 AM
spgproject personally, i've talked to numerous people who have stated that a stock 9-5 aero will out handle any og9-3 with all the right mods. thus, i decided that the koni's were a waste of money - my thinking was, once i'm ready to spend money on a good handling car, i'll buy a car that actually has the potential to handle well. on any car that has a competent platform, it is absolutly worth the money for quality dampers. but spending almost $700 on dampers for a floppy-ass 9-3: waste.
10-18-2011 06:16 PM
BobSabbert Konis will transform the car. If you have to cheap out, put Koni's in front and stay stock in the back.

If you can't do shocks and springs, I'd suggest that you should not do springs. KYB's are softer than stock - with stiffer springs they're going to bounce and die. You'd be better off sticking with stock shocks and new springs if you just have to lower the car.

BTW - you mentioned that you are planning on dropping the car. Might I ask why? Is it to improve handling, or to look kuel? If it's to improve handling, put in the Konis and upgrade the rear bar and have fun. If it's to look kuel, ur on your own.
10-18-2011 03:22 PM
mike saunders
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Originally Posted by snowsaab View Post
i love florida.


west palm beach=second home.
Maybe it has changed since the 90s but....I used to work in Delray and lived in Boca and would drive to South Beach rather than hang out in WPB, which was a sad hole with exactly one (!) decent nightspot. Most of the county was even sadder, unless you were 55 and an early retiree with ample coke and cash to burn picking up rebounding divorcees.

Ditto for FTL, but just drop the median age to 45.

I spent most of my time in Florida working extremely hard to leave.



but about shocks....
It's silly to just install shocks without doing the springs because it will double the labor.

Best route = Konis or Bilstein HDs and springs = $$$$
Middle road = Sachs/Boge and springs = $$$
Bargain route = KYBs and cut springs = $$
Cheapest route = Stock take offs and cut springs = $ (but won't last as long...)
10-18-2011 03:05 PM
2legit2quit
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Originally Posted by 2002 93SE View Post
no possible way im spending that much lol ok what about a mid grade set up
and im not worried about a comfy ride lol
Come on bro spend 800$ no big deal.
10-18-2011 02:54 PM
Turbo00 Bilsteins $479 through shox.com
10-18-2011 02:30 PM
2002 93SE no possible way im spending that much lol ok what about a mid grade set up
and im not worried about a comfy ride lol
10-18-2011 02:26 PM
gm Looks like $830 for koni springs & shocks..... excellent setup!!!!!

Dampers only are $670ish on their site

Not the cheapest way to go but but arguably the best way to go

forgot to say that's off of genuine saab's website
10-18-2011 02:22 PM
2002 93SE what prices am i looking at for koni's?
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