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04-01-2011 07:54 AM

JLausch

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Originally Posted by Derek

The impact of GM in our cars... hate it!

In fairness gm Europe had it first, and some hand built super cars use the same switches, however seeing it in the cruze is what hurt me lol. Hell Audi and vw share switchgear too (at least they did), its just that I hold vw higher than a chevy cruze lol

04-01-2011 07:26 AM

Derek

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLausch

chevy uses similar switches on the cruze and others now...

The impact of GM in our cars... hate it!

04-01-2011 07:25 AM

JLausch

Ive never had any issues with that, but I'm not a fan of the design and layout of the switchgear for that. chevy uses similar switches on the cruze and others now...

Guess that's being picky also though.

04-01-2011 05:03 AM

cking1975

I hate the fact that I knock the cruise control switch on all the time, but that is picky as well.

03-28-2011 05:03 PM

JLausch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek

The thing is that wether you're buying the cheaper $40k or the full extra $52k aero, the cons will still be there.

This is why I didn't pay too much attention to the engine and did more in the details.

EDIT: 300th post - lol Saab road master

I get your point, but what i guess i'm saying, is some of that stuff you won't think of after you drive it for a while. But yeah, i mean every car has its cons, i won't dispute that. I also edited my above post to include pricing of comparable 9-5 aero and 5 series as well as copies of the build info from the sites.

03-28-2011 04:40 PM

fiveiron9688

I wouldn't want cruise to hold my speed going downhill, I'd rather gain a little speed and not waste energy by braking. But I could see how that makes it a little less "luxury" in a sense.

03-28-2011 04:39 PM

Derek

03-28-2011 04:35 PM

JLausch

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronJoe

Sorry. I am referring to the Aero spec which starts at $49,565. The comparable BMW 535i xDrive starts at $52,400. Both have AWD and similar hp/tq and mpg numbers so they're usually the best models to compare.

But yeah you're right, the base model 9-5 being reviewed here starts at a hair under $40k.

However at 52k its not very comparable, thats teh base price. Factor in the premium package, sport package, premium audio (in fairness the 5 has a pretty good base audio, so w/e), adaptive suspension, ventilated seats, navigation, heads up display, lane departure warning, advanced parking (don't even know if they offer that on the 5) the 9-5 a good price for what you get. IIRC that puts the 5 at close to 60 if not more.

EDIT: Just built a 535xi on bmwusa.com

A car equipped package wise as close to the 9-5 as possible (wasn't able to option the premium audio on the 535 without adding the 4000 premium package 2, and ventilated seats aren't an option without gettings the multicontour seats which are really expensive because of the adjustments and massage, so i left that out). The 5 series comes out at $71350 for the similarly equipped 9-5's $58225 (loaded aero minus the u-rail). Pretty substantial difference. The Saab has ventilated seats in this config, the BMW does not, i added the 4 zone climate control on the 5 because the 9-5 has a 3rd zone with the rear entertainment pack. So advantage BMW for 1 extra zone of climate, and yes, the bmw is more refined, and the quality of the interior IMO is higher.... However, its not $13000 more IMO.

Advantage, Saab overall IMO.

Quick Summary

BMW $71350
Saab $58225

Feature differences FTMP, Saab ventilated seats, BMW no. Bmw 4 zone climate, Saab 3.

Otherwise they were very comparable.

Spec sheets below

BMW

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My 535i xDrive SedanDetails
3.0 liter, 6-cylinder engine with TwinPower Turbo technology
xDrive, intelligent all-wheel-drive
See all standard features

Base MSRP
$52,400

Alpine White

$0

Venetian Beige Dakota Leather

$0

Dark wood trim

$0

Driver Assistance Package

$1,350

•
Premium Package

$1,800

Dynamic Handling Package

$2,700

•
Sport Package

$2,200

Sport automatic transmission with shift paddles

$500

4-zone automatic climate control

$500

Comfort Access keyless entry

$1,000

Head-up Display

$1,300

Heated front seats

$500

Navigation system

$1,900

Ski bag

$150

Split fold-down-rear seat

$475

iPod and USB adapter

$400

Rear-seat entertainment

$2,200

Satellite radio with 1 year subscription

$350

Park Distance Control

$750

Destination & Handling:

$875

BMW Ultimate Service™

A suite of premium benefits that are included at no cost with all new BMW Vehicles.

4 Years/50,000 Miles Warranty
Included

4 Years/50,000 Miles Maintenance Program
Included

4 Years/Unlimited Mileage Roadside Assistance
Included

4 Years/Unlimited Mileage BMW Assist™ Safety Plan
Included

Total MSRP as Built$71,350

Saab

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1. Model
2. Trim Level & Engine
3. Exterior & Interior
4. Options
5. Summary

Model

Saab 9-5 Sedan Aero Turbo6 (300) XWD Aut$ 49565

Exterior & Interior

Arctic White solid Leather sport ventilated upholstery, Parchment / Cabin: Jet Black$ 695
Alloy wheel 10-spoke Turbine 19 x 8.5"$ 750

Options

Saab Infotainment Navigation$ 2395
harman/kardon® Surround Sound system$ 995
Technology package (Aero)$ 1695
Rear seat package$ 2130

Total$ 58225

Print Summary

Accessories

All Standard Features For This Vehicle

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also you'll notice more stuff checked off on the 5. Theres more stuff listed as standard on the 9-5, i tried not to let anything out, or overequip either, i think its a pretty fair comparison. As i said before i do think the BMW is a better overall vehicle at that equipment level, just not worth the extra premium.

03-28-2011 02:06 PM

Derek

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronJoe

Sorry. I am referring to the Aero spec which starts at $49,565.

so am I

03-28-2011 02:03 PM

IronJoe

03-28-2011 01:44 PM

JLausch

That car costs 40k for starters, not 50k, yeah the cruise could be better but compare it to the 535xi and others comparatively equipped and its thousands less. I had a 528 base model loaner with nothing but the premium pack and a couple of things and it was over 50. It was nowhere near as fast as the 9-5 and didn't have near the tech. Yeah it was better in some ways, but priced to reflect it. Also the Saab has noticeably more room then all of the others in its segment. Gotta look at the whole package.

03-28-2011 01:10 PM

IronJoe

Nice review. I'll let you know what I think in two weeks, I'm trying to secure a 9-5 for my next trip to STL.

Although it may seem like he's being picky, you need to remember the other cars available at the new 9-5s price point. There are a lot of little extras that are considered a standard at $50k. Cruise doesn't hold it's speed when going downhill? Unacceptable IMHO.

03-28-2011 01:00 PM

132417SAAB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talladega900

Wife and I get into arguments over seat position on the passenger side of all the cars. They definitely DO need memory, or they can pay for a good divorce attorney.*

agreed theres always arguments between my family members when they get into my car

03-28-2011 12:10 PM

Tito

I've enjoyed your reviews of the car. I wish I had a 9-5 to drive for a couple weeks to see if the investment is worth it.

With that said, I feel the 2011 9-5 offers way more content and value for 50K today than the 2002 9-5 did for a similar as-new price, in 2002. Never mind what you can get thousands off the sticker of even a new 2011 9-5.

If I had 50 grand to blow on a new car, I would save 15K and buy the 9-3X, which I did.

03-28-2011 09:08 AM

Derek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tito

What car would earn your 50 grand?

In 2002 it'd be the 9-5 ARC. For me at that time it was the perfect car. That's why I bought one now (I couldn't afford it back then).

03-28-2011 09:00 AM

Tito

What car would earn your 50 grand?

03-28-2011 08:52 AM

JLausch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talladega900

Wife and I get into arguments over seat position on the passenger side of all the cars. They definitely DO need memory, or they can pay for a good divorce attorney.*

Thats a good thing, means you can't find anything important to argue over. The sign of a truly healthy marriage...

03-28-2011 08:51 AM

JLausch

I see some of your points about the cons, although my parents 2010 aero doesnt have the light leakage in night panel mode, I also dont find the hazard switch to be an issue as it's probably one of the least used aspects of the car. Rear fogs would be nice, but the us models dont even have the rear fogs. One thing i do find annoying is the reverse lights. Its led which sweet, but there's only one, yet there is spot for a second so it looks like it's out.... Drives me nuts lol. Thing about it is, you won't get a car that large new for 40 grand anywhere else. Also the window switches are quite gm, as is the steering wheel switchgear and buttons

03-28-2011 08:44 AM

Derek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talladega900

Wife and I get into arguments over seat position on the passenger side of all the cars.

That!

03-28-2011 08:39 AM

Aikmanson

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiveiron9688

I don't think the passengers deserve a memory seat option

lol. too many randoms in and out of the car yeah?

Good review, I agree you are a little picky with the negatives but I also agree that if you are going to spend 40-50k on a car, it better be the way YOU want it. Plain and simple.

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