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09-16-2009 07:42 AM
DeLorean yeah while removing the fuel pump I snapped off one of the plastic fittings (doh)... I need to get a barb & some new fittings to fix it
09-16-2009 07:34 AM
PaulH I downloaded it, but Delorean needs to fix his fuel pump so we can actually try it, the car has been laid up for the past couple of months

Paul
09-16-2009 05:39 AM
mackan
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Originally Posted by Tboy View Post
Where can we find this new version? I've poked through the thread over on ECU Project, but it is kindof hard to make heads or tails the thread is so long!
http://forum.ecuproject.com/viewtopi...non+tcs#p22926

Rar file with some base tunes in it
09-16-2009 04:05 AM
Tboy Where can we find this new version? I've poked through the thread over on ECU Project, but it is kindof hard to make heads or tails the thread is so long!
09-16-2009 03:36 AM
mackan Tried the new version yet where everything works?
03-30-2009 08:52 AM
jssaab
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Originally Posted by BurnsSide42 View Post

However it causes corn and corn by products to inflate in stores too....
Actually that's not really true, the perception that it does htis allows grocers to have an excuse to sell thier goods for more $$.

Corn surpluss are more amangeable now, we used to have corn rotting couse no onw wnated it and the sellers did nto wnat to crash the prices...
03-30-2009 08:41 AM
Saab99Super It's not known for sure when E20 will be coming. Right now were conducting preliminary testing by putting a 10K 3.1L engine in our 97 Malibu and running it on E20 for what I think is about 70K before a tear down to check the effects and another battery of emissions tests. They have already done 70K on a 100K engine and nothing was effected.

After that I think the next step if to convert a part of MnDOT's fleets of vehicles to E20 and check the effects on varying vehicles.
03-30-2009 08:37 AM
Tweek's Turbos
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but im not terribly worried about it. It even mentions in that document that they use the US spec gas tank, all set there!

Paul
But what if it was your car?
03-30-2009 08:34 AM
Raven18940 Any idea when we'll get E20 on a national scale? My car loves E10, and I imagine E20 would be even better.
03-30-2009 08:00 AM
PaulH Yup, seems that cars that are e10 ready should basically be fine with e85, we'll keep an eye on things, but im not terribly worried about it. It even mentions in that document that they use the US spec gas tank, all set there!

Paul
03-30-2009 07:14 AM
Saab99Super We did the durability testing of E85 in modern engines here at school about 3 years ago.

We found that basically any car built after late 80's early 90's is ready to go on E85. The cars already have received the upgraded parts to run on E10. Right now another group is conducting research on E20 for the MnDOT. It's looking more and more like E10 will be gone in MN and E20 will be here.
03-30-2009 03:47 AM
lekonna uh nice to see that it runs
As far as i know E-85, unlike regular gas, conducts electricity. Did you do anything to the leads in the tank, since the fuel pump just hangs there with no protection on the terminals what so ever? E-85 setup NEEDS properly insulated pump and leads in the tank to prevent guess what.

Also E-85 eats brass and copper so anything yellow you should change to stainless steel if you want this to last. Including the valve seats. Like above stated E-85 is also more aggressive on certain rubber and plastics so keep an eye on your fuel rail for any leats on the pipes.

I've thought a bit about making the next engine E-85 compatible but there seems to be quite a lot to do on the old machine to support this.

http://tuneng.narod.ru/saab_tech/T7/E85/EN/
03-27-2009 04:23 AM
Raven18940 I want to make a race car that runs on E-85, it's so damn hard to find it consistently.
03-27-2009 04:10 AM
Tboy Really neat guys. Good job on this one. Definately interested in this.
03-26-2009 11:05 PM
DeLorean
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Originally Posted by dan-the-kid View Post
Yeah from what I know E-85 requires much more fuel. Hence the lower MPG.
yeah, filled up again today (E-85), last tank I ripped through pretty quick, though I was pretty hard on it. I will try to be a slight bit lighter on the throttle (not averaging 90 mph) and see if I can do better than 19. With "lighter" driving the 9-5 can get 26 MPG on gas, though I normally get 24. If I really drive for mileage the car is capable of 34+ MPG, but that's not realistic if you want to make good time on the highway, and why not? Time is more expensive than gas.
03-26-2009 06:06 PM
dan-the-kid Yeah from what I know E-85 requires much more fuel. Hence the lower MPG.
03-26-2009 04:50 PM
aireeca
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Flexfuel! Based on the OEM Biopower bins from the later cars. The issue so far has been it only works on cars that have TCS, and even though Jeffs car has a TCS button, its not connected to anything .
Of course it isn't connected to anything. That Jeff!

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Yeah, had to drive all the hell-way down to Allentown!
Allentown! That's too far. Almost Ohio far!

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Think it was $1.84, premium was $2.20, so at the moment it doesnt make a whole lot of sense, since it seems the mileage goes from 25 down to 19mpg. The concept is neat though, and itll probably be a better value once gas goes up again.
My plan with the flexfuel tune you did on the 9-3 is to run it as a city car, where my mileage is usually crap anyhow, on E85 this summer since I can fuel up on it at my grocery store. Guess that's one good thing about Cleveland.
03-26-2009 03:26 PM
BurnsSide42
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Originally Posted by VIGGENIT View Post
19mpg...? am i missing something...
It's E-85 - the downside to it is less MPG
The upside it's supposed to be about 10% cheaper to buy and creates more HP output

However it causes corn and corn by products to inflate in stores too....

It's neat - but Gas will be the sure thing until Electric and Hydrogen are sorted out. Honda has a nice one in California for sale now.
03-26-2009 03:21 PM
christian900se Nice work on the conversion! I love the SID information though, that would be awesome if that would work on ng900's. So how significant of a difference is the low end power?
03-26-2009 03:16 PM
VIGGENIT 19mpg...? am i missing something...
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