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03-05-2015 07:37 AM
nradner Drew, for sure. FORDSPEED is an outstanding machine shop, and they come highly recommended by all the big power guys around here, but the downside is how backed up they are. I think the guy I talked to said he's about a month away from being able to work on my project, and the services he offers are pretty extensive. Depending on what needs to be done, he does balance work, opens up oil feeds, magnafluxes and pressure tests the block, etc, etc.

As far as the turbo, it actually has a .68ar compressor housing, not sure on the exhaust, other than it's t25, and 5 bolt internally gated.
03-05-2015 05:53 AM
Drew in Houston Do you mean 0.60 AR compressor housing? Or is it something Stephen put together? Which hot side is it?

On the machining, if it were me, I'd wait for the good machine shop or find someplace further away and do some driving. You're investing a bunch of time/money---if this is an engine that you want to be able to just get in and drive, do regular interval oil changes, etc. you'll be happier long term by making sure it's done right rather than chancing it. If you were doing a total budget build and just wanted to get something on the road that doesn't have to last, that's one thing, but you've already spent a bunch of money on good parts. My vote is that you see it thorough with some good quality machine work.

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Yea Drew, that's too bad. There was so much work put into that car; and I had spoken to him as well about the block when it was up for sale, but I had no idea the carnage that had happened to it. I'm at sort of an impasse right now with what I want to do: I can go and use the GT3076r that I bought from Stephen (See Eggyolked's GT3076 Inside thread), and have all the parts to bottom mount that turbo; or, I can wait until probably summer time, and go Genuinesaab Top-Mount. The 3076 has a .50ar compressor housing on it, and Stephen said it was (as far as a turbo that size is concerned) not horrifically laggy down low (but his was on a 2.0).

Nick T has given me a solution to use the 235 rods with B205 Pistons in order to raise compression to 10.25:1, and this should help the turbo spool quicker. Enem cams will come later in the build when and IF funds become available.
03-05-2015 05:34 AM
nradner My sourcing of a b235 block from the local junkyard. This is the block i'll be building outside of the car. (It's fun to fool around on dead cars)
03-05-2015 05:14 AM
nradner @ Daven:

Im from Rochester, NY. 15 years there, and 15 in FL. I understand completely. My dad is still in Gates-Chili.
03-05-2015 05:13 AM
nradner Yea Drew, that's too bad. There was so much work put into that car; and I had spoken to him as well about the block when it was up for sale, but I had no idea the carnage that had happened to it. I'm at sort of an impasse right now with what I want to do: I can go and use the GT3076r that I bought from Stephen (See Eggyolked's GT3076 Inside thread), and have all the parts to bottom mount that turbo; or, I can wait until probably summer time, and go Genuinesaab Top-Mount. The 3076 has a .64ar compressor housing on it, and Stephen said it was (as far as a turbo that size is concerned) not horrifically laggy down low (but his was on a 2.0).

Nick T has given me a solution to use the 235 rods with B205 Pistons in order to raise compression to 10.25:1, and this should help the turbo spool quicker. Enem cams will come later in the build when and IF funds become available.
03-05-2015 05:05 AM
nradner
Beginning Engine Work

Well, I got most of my parts in, minus a new balance chain from Eeruo. But there a few things as I have started to pull the head off the Viggen. I'm going to find a better machine shopt, the one i sourced to do the job...just doesn't seem up to the task. FORDSPEED racing in Clearwater, FL are the guys everybody goes to for nutz build projects. But they are backed up as F. So in order to keep the Vig on the road, I'm not going to pull the whole engine right now. I started replacing the head gasket last night. As I was Top-Dead-Centering it, cylinder # 3 shot water out like a geyser. Which is scary to say the least. I'm going to need to really clean the cylinder bores and hope that the rings and combustion temps scrape the rest of the walls clean.

Should have the head and gasket job done by tomorrow night....if all goes well.
03-04-2015 05:15 PM
Drew in Houston
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Originally Posted by Harvey's Autohaus View Post
Pats car was grossly under fueled with decca 630's & A mailbox tune from the west coast basically. His Dyno no's showed to me that he had to have been way out of gas around 400, He made a little better hp-tq no than that the second time around but at a cost. The bottom end. He needed at least 800's but I don't even know if he made that choice or if the 630 choice was made for him. He was relying on mailbox tunes.
Agreed. There's no way 630's were big enough.
03-04-2015 03:35 PM
Harvey's Autohaus
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Originally Posted by Drew in Houston View Post
Yeah! Looks to be a nice build coming along.

There's other stuff going on too. Don't worry about patricks yllwjet build, at least some of those parts are living on. The header was warped by about 1/4", have no idea how he used it, but it's been planed, ported/cleaned up, and installed with the turbo, intercooler (kept the AC too), properly sized fuel system, in a car that's sitting here ready to be tuned properly to be 100% daily driveable, 30mpg, etc. once the weather breaks... oh, and it's an MCY 5-door (not mine). I will encourage the owner to post about things too.

As an aside, I almost bought that engine from Patrick too, but I asked him to pull/inspect some bearings, and the bottom end was shot. To his credit he was upfront about it and I think it was a genuine surprise to him too; who knows if he was mixing bearing caps or bad machining or what. Don't know how many miles he had on it but it couldn't have been too many. Between that and the super mega warped header and other little pieces...I'm curious how that car actually drove and not totally surprised he tore it all apart
Pats car was grossly under fueled with decca 630's & A mailbox tune from the west coast basically. His Dyno no's showed to me that he had to have been way out of gas around 400, He made a little better hp-tq no than that the second time around but at a cost. The bottom end. He needed at least 800's but I don't even know if he made that choice or if the 630 choice was made for him. He was relying on mailbox tunes.
03-04-2015 10:12 AM
Drew in Houston Yeah! Looks to be a nice build coming along.

There's other stuff going on too. Don't worry about patricks yllwjet build, at least some of those parts are living on. The header was warped by about 1/4", have no idea how he used it, but it's been planed, ported/cleaned up, and installed with the turbo, intercooler (kept the AC too), properly sized fuel system, in a car that's sitting here ready to be tuned properly to be 100% daily driveable, 30mpg, etc. once the weather breaks... oh, and it's an MCY 5-door (not mine). I will encourage the owner to post about things too.

As an aside, I almost bought that engine from Patrick too, but I asked him to pull/inspect some bearings, and the bottom end was shot. To his credit he was upfront about it and I think it was a genuine surprise to him too; who knows if he was mixing bearing caps or bad machining or what. Don't know how many miles he had on it but it couldn't have been too many. Between that and the super mega warped header and other little pieces...I'm curious how that car actually drove and not totally surprised he tore it all apart
03-04-2015 09:17 AM
Daven DAMN! That is quite a parts spread! You are really doing this build properly and I love reading about it! Thank you!

It makes me long for the day I can bring my Viggen out of hibernation. Upstate NY is still under about 6 feet of snow so no telling when that will be...I'll just live vicariously through you, if you don't mind.

Keep the posts coming!
03-04-2015 06:34 AM
nradner Parts coming in ?
02-26-2015 08:51 AM
nradner I for one, will not let SAAB DIE!!!

hahaha. Yea, I've noticed that too. It's sad, but I keep reading over Patric's yllwjet build, and am ready to start this build.
02-26-2015 08:25 AM
lms Good to see someone on this board doing a build as this board is slowly dying.
02-26-2015 07:10 AM
nradner Some more shots of preppin the old "Viggen" bumper. Pissed off a lot of people doing this in my apt....
02-26-2015 04:49 AM
nradner GenuineSaab just got back to me yesterday. They're sending the Viggen PP, Pauter Rods, with B205 Pistons with valve cutouts (first over 90.5mm). This setup is going to be around 10.25 : 1, so a little more than stock Viggen B235 Compression. Nick and Steve at Taliaferro had said that this high-compression setup will spool the giant (relatively speaking) GT3076r Turbo quicker, with less lag. Anyway, I kind of like this setup as I'm not really doing many stop-light show-down races, I'm more of a roll-racer anyway, and I like to try and take it as easy as I can on the tranny.

Little info on the Stage 4 setup from JZW I have currently: I would regularly hit 1400 airmass at WOT in 4th gear when requesting only 1200's. So the setup was really well-flowed.
02-24-2015 05:04 PM
nradner g96, I was kind of hoping the head would warp WITH the manifold...

I kid. I kid.

Got some parts today. Complete gasket set for the top end, and some misc bolts came in from Saabsite. Shipped quick as hell. Ordered them yesterday morning. 6-puck clutch from Clutchnet shipping today from Cali, and Viggen Pressure Plate and throwout bearing from GeniuneSaab. I also have the uprated red clutch line on the tranny already. Pics to come.
02-24-2015 06:34 AM
Saabeh Shame about the red car, it looked very nice.
02-24-2015 04:52 AM
g96nt Gotta plane that manifold. Especially if you're heat-wrapping it. All that heat, trapped in the manifold seems like a surefire way to warp a cast manifold.
02-24-2015 04:49 AM
nradner T-5 Cams were the first job I did upon getting the silver Viggen. Instantly better, more torque..etc.
02-24-2015 04:47 AM
nradner Some more shots of the red car. She was really pretty much done, except for a few engine things when I got hit and destroyed. The right -rear quarter panel was crushed in. The bumper rail was crushed, the red Viggen bumper was missing the paint all over it from the impact. Just sad.
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