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04-16-2014 02:35 AM
renizer you mean you re-gained "a ton" of power
did you check openSID or some other logging tool to notice the intermittent failure?

The PFS kit, is that their "BIG-SAAB95" kit? It's 624 EUR so that's more like 860 USD plus shipping I'd figure another 100-200 and maybe even customs... So.... not as good as a deal as you make it, imho.

Also the IC hose kit that came with your PFS kit is already 330, the IC is 430 if you buy them separate.. yes, that's Euros. The ETS is only 560$ or so at GS... that's 410 Euros, which is CHEAPER than the PFS "do88"... what- or whoever that is Plus shipping (ETS being in the US, PFS in EU).

That said.. How do you like it? If it wasn't as expensive, I would consider it..

edit: I stand corrected, do88.se seems to be a reputable manufacturer for EU parts..
also the kit on PFS is 100 Euro cheaper than on do88.se themselves.
04-15-2014 09:50 AM
LordScania
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Originally Posted by DustinS View Post
Quite a high cost for something that is only for making the engine bay look a bit better. Plus changing the sensors is too much a pain for no gains in power.
i gained a ton of power by switching to the new style sensors. then again my old sensors where intermittently failing and sending bad readings.

as for something that doesnt make any difference in HP i only ordered an upper IC pipe because it came with two lower pipes and a drop in FMIC for $700... so for $200 more than a ETS you get all the piping from PFS.com... you cant go wrong with that
04-08-2014 01:26 PM
DustinS Quite a high cost for something that is only for making the engine bay look a bit better. Plus changing the sensors is too much a pain for no gains in power.
04-07-2014 08:31 AM
9kaero9-5turbo id like a set for 04 if possible !
01-27-2014 06:54 AM
LordScania
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Originally Posted by g96nt View Post
So, you're saying that you'd prefer to cut, and solder wires in an engine bay, after taking hours to research the pinning of a wire harness/ECU

...Than unclip the master connector from the ECU, and the 10 or so connectors in the engine bay and replace it. Have you ever SEEN the 9-5 engine harness, or are you being general, based on other cars?
im talking a very general view here, as if this wasnt my car but my customers car. who after i fix this, i never want to see again, so yes i have seen it, as well at taken it apart. re-pinning something takes all of five minutes, all you need is a criming tool. plus there are already 5 wires running from the ecu to said sensors so if i need to add a wire then im only running ONE extra wire and if i only need 4 then i just grab one end and pull.

im not knocking your method, i just have my own way of doing things.

can anyone comfirm that i can switch the old sensors for the new sensors. id like to tackle this project this weekend. and if not can any one make a copy of WIS for me?
01-24-2014 05:06 PM
Drew in Houston No contest there for me. Absolutely I'd clip two plugs and solder one in their place vs. ripping out and replacing an entire engine harness. What kind of question is that? lol

Of course, if you think it's hard reading and understanding a wiring diagram and you don't know how to do a good job at soldering or don't have the right tools...well, actually, then shucks, you shouldn't really be swapping a harness either. That'd almost be like tuning and repeatedly blowing up customer cars without understanding a compressor map, but, you know stuff like that goes on every day.

edit: And I've SEEN a harness so I guess I'm qualified craig. Here's what a full 9-5 harness looks like, without the engine harness, btw
01-24-2014 09:28 AM
g96nt So, you're saying that you'd prefer to cut, and solder wires in an engine bay, after taking hours to research the pinning of a wire harness/ECU

...Than unclip the master connector from the ECU, and the 10 or so connectors in the engine bay and replace it. Have you ever SEEN the 9-5 engine harness, or are you being general, based on other cars?
01-24-2014 09:01 AM
renizer +1 didnt care typing it
i could probably check WIS on the weekend if/when i get a chance.
01-24-2014 08:44 AM
LordScania
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Originally Posted by g96nt View Post
Completely different plugs.
If you've seen the engine harness, it's all quick-release.
It would take about 15-minutes to swap one over, Vs cutting/splicing.
as long as the sensors output are the same id rather take the ten minutes solder 5 wires together, instead of looking around/paying for the harness and re wiring the whole car. quick release or not. ive worked on enough older car to know shit breaks and pins back out of connectors. the last thing i want to do is chase around an electical gremlin in a car that was working perfectly before i started to fuck with it.

can anyone comfirm that the sensor outputs are the same? i dont have WIS, i see that there are the same amount of wires. old vs new. i just need schematics
01-23-2014 11:26 AM
g96nt Completely different plugs.
If you've seen the engine harness, it's all quick-release.
It would take about 15-minutes to swap one over, Vs cutting/splicing.
01-23-2014 11:22 AM
renizer i'm not sure why in hell would you swap a complete harness just for changing one plug, but to each their own pretty sure there's no flashing or anything similar that needs to be done, the ecu pinning also didnt change much thru all the years.
of course the sensor and the attachment point is physically different but the electrical output's gotta be the same?
01-23-2014 09:05 AM
g96nt
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Originally Posted by renizer View Post
good questions there, my early style charge piping is in bad condition so i was looking to change over to later style.
would there be any benefit with the later style piping, is it any different in terms of diameters, bends, heatsoak?

i would guess it's the same pinning but the new sensor will have the two sensors combined in one housing (guessing MAP & Charge Air Temp). so shouldnt have any problems going to the newer style if you get the sensor and plug to put on the harness instead of the 2 old separate plugs.
Honestly, It'd probably easier to use an '02+ harness. (I don't think it'd need a re-flash, based on how my ECUs have been flashed)
I believe it'd clean things up a little, too.
01-23-2014 08:57 AM
g96nt The sensors are physically different, and the later pipe has a nipple for vacuum/boost near the throttle body.

I'd imagine that there's no re-pinning needed, as the ECU's are interchangable.
01-23-2014 08:22 AM
renizer good questions there, my early style charge piping is in bad condition so i was looking to change over to later style.
would there be any benefit with the later style piping, is it any different in terms of diameters, bends, heatsoak?

i would guess it's the same pinning but the new sensor will have the two sensors combined in one housing (guessing MAP & Charge Air Temp). so shouldnt have any problems going to the newer style if you get the sensor and plug to put on the harness instead of the 2 old separate plugs.
01-23-2014 06:05 AM
LordScania 99-00 have 2 separate sensors for charge air temp & pressure, where later years only have one??? can any one comfirm this?

does any one know if i can go from the 2 sensor to the new style single with out re-pinning the ecu?? or better yet as anyone tired this?

and just incase anyone is curious the thread pitch for both sensors in the earlier style(99-00) is 10x1.25 & 12x1.50. hope this helps
01-23-2014 01:26 AM
renizer just curious, what's the differences between a 02-up and the earlier IC piping? thanks
01-21-2014 07:40 PM
dagazenterprise HaveNot Heard From Anyone On A commitment
12-22-2013 01:56 PM
jpgroth Any updates?
12-04-2013 12:22 PM
Slabonator
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Originally Posted by dagazenterprise View Post
Discount given to anyone who is willing to let me mock up the tube on their car, I'm just east of manch in nh
I might take you up on this offer. I dig the pipe. 01' Aero is going into the shop tomorrow and depending on the damage, I'd be interested in that pipe. I'll be in Exeter, NH this weekend and can meet up anytime Sunday if you're free. PM 'meh
12-03-2013 09:49 PM
dagazenterprise Discount given to anyone who is willing to let me mock up the tube on their car, I'm just east of manch in nh
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