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08-02-2004 07:17 AM
abdukted1456
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Originally Posted by rcmdesign
Bought time we hear some advice / input based on real experience!!!! I was getting sick of that theory bullshit! Nice work abdukted! Let us know if the NGK plugs make your ride feel any different...
I put the new plugs in this weekend. I had just gotten the DI back on and it started to rain! good timing!

Was much easier than I thought it would be!

So far, the car seems to be a bit quicker, but I don't know if that's because of the plugs creating a situation where it is more knock resistant, or.... the more likely scenario- after the plugs went in, it rained and it's now a good 10-15 degrees cooler. I am guessing it's the second one!

Good thing I did this, though, the old plugs looked fried!

just curious- Do the electrodes wear away after time to make a "pointy" tip, or do the platinum stockers come with "pointy" electrodes??? they looked much different than the bcpr7es-11's, they had nice solid cyllindrical tips!
07-30-2004 12:45 PM
ricot83 double stack reaer is awesome my rear end is stiffer than my front now, i need to tighten up the new bushings i put in front, also the rack brace and clamp i made myself and they make a world of difference
07-30-2004 08:15 AM
rcmdesign
Quote:
Originally Posted by abdukted1456
now I am looking for excuses to drive everywhere, i even volunteered to drive my girlfriend last night to go look at pocketbooks and shoes just so i could take the beast onto the highway and feel that boost....
I know how that is! I love to get out on the road to test things out, and having somewhere to go only makes things better
07-30-2004 06:24 AM
abdukted1456 The maptun upgrades for T7 are $999, If i remember correctly... plus 300 core charge refundable if you send your old ECU back to them. There is also a 40 dollars shipping charge, maybe 80 if you do the 3-4 day express option? I chose to keep mine stock ECU in case i want any warranty work done at the dealer, I don't want them scanning my ecu with techII and telling me they won't cover some repairs because it is aftermarket...

Cheap insurance policy.

I love this ECU, now I am looking for excuses to drive everywhere, i even volunteered to drive my girlfriend last night to go look at pocketbooks and shoes just so i could take the beast onto the highway and feel that boost.... (the car is the beast, not the girl!)

p.s. how do you like the double rear bar and rack brace and clamp? (is yours MP performance?) those will be next summer. I don't know yet if I wanna do double stacked rear bar or just go for a genuinesaab extra thick bar....
07-29-2004 12:54 PM
ricot83 Yo B

abdukted our cars are like identical..... except i dont have the ecu yet, i have brake upgrades, double rear sway bar, steering rack brace and clamp, custom sub-frame brace in teh works, smbc installed, boost gauge, and im going to wrap the throttle pipe today and unhook the coolanyt lines from the throttle body as well


O ya my PERFORMANCE mods are... debadge and saab valve stem caps...huge performance gain
how much was the maptun and where did u purchase it..... did u have to send out the ecu?
07-29-2004 08:38 AM
rcmdesign 10-20

I'd expect atleast 50+ for that mod!
07-29-2004 08:33 AM
abdukted1456 I don't anticipate a difference, just a safety thing, they are a colder heat range than stock so they are less likely to create a situation where under higher boost the fuel ignites before the spark does it. i guess sometimes the stock plugs can get so hot they ignite the fuel before they actually spark, and that's BAD.

This is my basic understanding of that anyways, from what some of the folks here have said... group9 also reccommended this and i know Nick at genuine suggests those plugs for all modded ECU 9-3 and 9-5 cars....Hey, for 12 bucks it's a cheap insurance policy.

the real performance gain will be the 10-20 extra horses I expect from the new chrome valve stem caps with black Saab logos, and now that my car is Maptuned, I think debadging is in order......
07-29-2004 08:23 AM
rcmdesign Bought time we hear some advice / input based on real experience!!!! I was getting sick of that theory bullshit! Nice work abdukted! Let us know if the NGK plugs make your ride feel any different...
07-29-2004 07:36 AM
abdukted1456 oh yeah, sport mode works AWESOME. It's no dog in normal mode, either....

it is very easy to drive the car like stock, it's not out of control around town, you won't be rear ending people in rush hour traffic because the throttle is over sensitive or antyhing like that... you have to really get into the last 1/2 to 3/5 of the throttle to awaken the "beast" inside, which is good since I don't wanna be doing 60 down my little residential street with kids around and everything.... But when you ask the car to give some power, it GIVES IT.....WOW.

I had a feeling this whole "incident" was just a fluke and if I held out they would come correct. they sure did.

I think you will be very very pleased with Maptun if you go that route, stage 3+ has to be just insane. And I only have a lowly automatic with Stage 1 and less torque than the manual! Definitely a nice upgrade, it is definitely not "seat of the pants dyno" tricking you into thinking it is something it isn't, this is no placebo effect. it is NICE....
07-29-2004 07:26 AM
Blaque Niiicee!!! Im very happy that this all turned out well. And to hear about such an increase for just a stage 1 upgrade...Im almost scared to get a Stage 3 or higher.

Glad this all worked out. Does Sport mode still work?
07-29-2004 07:10 AM
abdukted1456 I am a little excited. Can you blame me? This has been a long time coming...

A package wrapped in Maptun performance tape was sitting on my porch yesterday when i got home from a long, uneventful, boring day at work.

Yeah, Stage 1 in the house.

Preliminary testing seems to show that all is well.

I haven't taken it out on the highway yet, just had time last night to go for a quick spin on some country backroads with lots of twisty turns.

no fuel cut, no problems, just lots of power. Doesn't peg the boost gauge this time, but goes real far into the red if i ask it to, and dips right near the end briefly...

Drives like stock around town, very driveable. But drop the hammer or give it some real gas (say 3/5 throttle or more ) and it transforms into a raging beast. Power builds very smoothly, but quickly, too.

i am impressed.

Now I just gotta test on the highway, for how it performs when already at speed. last night I was only able to really test from low speeds to about 60 or so.... and it wa amazing. I kept braking traction and TCS would come on, and this is with my Z rated Pirelli's and 17 inch wheels on a dry sunny day... WOW.

Thumbs up. in both Normal and Sport mode it really drives smoothly but FAST when you want it... very tame when you want it to be as well... like Jeckyl and Hyde, except you can control when it transforms.... Took the girlfriend for a ride, she was skeptical about this tuning stuff at first, now she wants a tuned Saab, too!

I gotta say although things were not working out for me in the beginning, maptun really stepped up and made things right, and did it as fast as they could, even when they were supposed to be on holiday/vacation....

Got the NGK BCPR7ES-11's coming today (FAST service, thanks Nick/genuinesaab!), and the hyperboost valve already on, so I should be all set for a while.... gotta save up for next summer so I can do suspension mods, brakes, and VRK....

We need a thumbs up icon and a "shit eating grin" icon, too.

This will do for now...

07-19-2004 07:40 PM
roadkil34 aww, rico. im waiting until next summer and im gonna do stage 4. this is after suspension, breaks, and wheels so i can handle the power of course. but 290 hp is just way too tempting. all i need is the t28 compressor and a viggen/other bigger intercooler.... should be fun.

-Frank
07-19-2004 01:03 PM
ricot83 def debadge your autobox car, i did to mine and it is amazing
lol ya i will not go passed stage 2 actually i am half way there all i need is software and downpipe and im at stage 3 woohoo blown tranny here i come
07-19-2004 01:03 PM
xaamottomaax Going from a stage 1 to a stage 2, while providing more power, is actually better for your engine because of the high increases in exhaust gas temps. The stage 1 creates more power which in turn creates more exhaust gasses which struggle to get through the limited stock exhaust. These gasses can potentially back up into the combustion chambers fouling things up even more. The BCPR7ES-11 is recommended because it is a cooler plug and will not run as hot as a 6. I think Maptun even uses an 8 range on the higher stages.
07-19-2004 09:02 AM
abdukted1456
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Originally Posted by xaamottomaax
I'm not sure which trans the 99 9-3 got but if it is the 4 speed used in the 9000's, watch it very closely as these are the weak boxes that gave the auto's the bad rep for tuning. The 4 speed that went in the 9-5 in 99 is much stronger and reliable and you should not have problems with the power levels you are running at stage 1.

The main thing to be weary of is knock. Keep your spark plugs fresh and your octane high and you should be just fine.
I only run 92 or 93 octane EVER, whatever is the best gas they have.

Also should I go to BCPR7es instead of stock plugs? This seems to be reccommended, i am not sure why, as the guy at autozone said these were motorcycle plugs????

And my car is an '02 9-3 SE HOT, hopefully this tranny will be a bit beefier than the one your were talking about.

I don't really plan to go higher in stage, maybe Stage 2 in a few years, but nothing big for now as far as power. I will be more concerned with handling, next summer I wanna do springs, shocks, and VRK (clamp and brace), swaybar, etc.... I think i will debadge when the ECU comes, that has to be worth at least 10 HP.
07-19-2004 08:57 AM
xaamottomaax I'm not sure which trans the 99 9-3 got but if it is the 4 speed used in the 9000's, watch it very closely as these are the weak boxes that gave the auto's the bad rep for tuning. The 4 speed that went in the 9-5 in 99 is much stronger and reliable and you should not have problems with the power levels you are running at stage 1.

The main thing to be weary of is knock. Keep your spark plugs fresh and your octane high and you should be just fine.
07-19-2004 08:44 AM
abdukted1456
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaque_Out
Yea your right...you'll have more tranny problems than engine probably. Anyways...when's the software coming???
Good question. I am very anxious to receive it at this point. I am awaiting a tracking number. Hopefully this thing comes before I go to Maine for a week in August. it would be nice to test it out on such a long trip. However if it takes a few extra days to be 100% sure the software is right this time, so be it.

I ordered a new hyperboost valve, too, that already came, Group 9 shipped it and it was here the next day. Now that is what I call good service. It's stealth black, should help me hold the extra bit of boost from the new ECU...

And just after I ordered it, i noticed the new hyperboost HX valves in Acid Blue and Acid yellow on the hyperboost site. oh well, maybe next time.
07-19-2004 08:26 AM
Blaque Yea your right...you'll have more tranny problems than engine probably. Anyways...when's the software coming???
07-19-2004 07:09 AM
abdukted1456 Sheesh! You guys have me freaking paranoid that this silly stage 1 is gonna blow up my nice new car!

I am guessing I will be OK as long as I don't flog the car every chance i get. I do mostly 30 mph 10 minute commute to work each day, so I really don't get much chance to really "get on it" anyways... and I don't "race" people, so it's mostly gonna just be some highway fun every now and then...

besides, I really gotta take it easy anyways until I upgrade the brakes/suspension...

I should probably be more worried about the autobox than the engine anyways... that seems like the weaker link...
07-17-2004 01:53 AM
SaabTuner The B205R DOES have a different part number listed for the pistons. It also has different connecting rods.

However neither the WIS or EPC are specific on exactly what the changes are between the two. I would assume they are not much stronger than the Viggen's pistons. They are probably slightly taller, but just be careful.

Adrian~
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