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10-29-2008 08:34 PM
gorillajin
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Originally Posted by PAsaab900 View Post
when it comes to handling i dont think its the parts u have... i think its the car. the parts are just an add on....i have a mustang that is a track car, n i have 2 grand in parts for handling but that dont mean i can take a corner at 100 miles an hour n still live.... like u said acuras are great for handling even with stock parts, n when u upgrade it makes it even better... but im no saab god.... thats just what i think..... n y the hell would u get ride of a gsr.....dame i miss my vtec...
i miss my vtec too. it was a fun car to drive....
i'm trying to make my saab like integra, although it will be totally different feeling....but i'm trying.
10-04-2008 08:12 AM
lms
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Originally Posted by codesplice View Post
That's what I've heard. From the limited amount of thinking that I feel like doing, seems like a stiffer front bar would increase the understeer tendencies. I think I've heard of a couple guys with SE's switching to a softer bar up front?
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Yes they are bigger. I went with the 25mm on my viggen and like it. I then added the bigger front bar and liked it even better. But, I do not auto-x this car or track it. I used to live on a mountain and found that combination the best for me. I now live in Chicago where the bars, for the most part, are pretty much useless when the only driving I do is from one stop light to the other.
10-03-2008 06:57 PM
Legit My dad might get an ARB from Nick soon, I'm thinking the 22mm will be perfect
10-03-2008 06:40 PM
PAsaab900 when it comes to handling i dont think its the parts u have... i think its the car. the parts are just an add on....i have a mustang that is a track car, n i have 2 grand in parts for handling but that dont mean i can take a corner at 100 miles an hour n still live.... like u said acuras are great for handling even with stock parts, n when u upgrade it makes it even better... but im no saab god.... thats just what i think..... n y the hell would u get ride of a gsr.....dame i miss my vtec...
10-03-2008 06:18 PM
codesplice
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Originally Posted by Marksy View Post
Anyhoo . . Doesn't the SE have a stiffer front bar than the Viggen ???
That's what I've heard. From the limited amount of thinking that I feel like doing, seems like a stiffer front bar would increase the understeer tendencies. I think I've heard of a couple guys with SE's switching to a softer bar up front?
10-03-2008 01:15 PM
Marksy I took my Cherokee's swaybars off when I upgraded the entire suspension. It handled much better than stock even at 5 inches higher. I know its apples and oranges, but goes with what Nick said. Anyhoo . . Doesn't the SE have a stiffer front bar than the Viggen ???
10-03-2008 09:30 AM
codesplice
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Originally Posted by gorillajin View Post
Like one of members was saying, I am comparing totally different cars though.
Yep.
10-03-2008 09:29 AM
gorillajin
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Originally Posted by GenuineSaab View Post
Unless you have a specialised setup the 1" rear bar is too much.. That is why it is listed as race only.. Oh well nobody ever listens..
http://www.trolltuner.com/archives/2006/12/#000027
I read your article and I know what you meant. Because I want to go for 23mm, it doesn't mean nobody listens.

Thanks
10-03-2008 09:26 AM
gorillajin My car is stting on koni yellow with unkonwn after market springs
Like I said, I alreday installed GS' PU busings in the front control arms. I am pretty serious about handling. I think I always upgrade stuff for handling first, and go for the engine.
The only reason I was gonna order 23mm swaybar is the JDM integra type R came with 23mm swaybar and it handles a lot better than USM type R.
I had 22mm swaybar before and I used to take my integra for downhill driving on a mountain. Since saab is heavy, I won't take it to a mountain for TOUGE, but I still want to improve the handling.

I do not know how many of you have owned integra with type R swaybar and aftermarket shocks, but they handle great. JDM type R was one of the best handling FW cars in the world. So I chose 23mm size from my experiences.

Like one of members was saying, I am comparing totally different cars though.
10-03-2008 08:53 AM
perkj I'm personally not convinced that the 25mm is "too much"....at least not on the stock Viggen suspension with a good set of tires. I started with the 22mm that I bought directly from GS and then about a year later I got a good deal on a used GS 25mm bar. There is definitally a difference between the two, however I would not call the 25mm dagerous or race only in any way. After running both (and I still have both), I perfer the 25mm bar. It really plants the outer rear tire going thru a turn that will allow for greater speed entering and exiting the turn. I think why people call the 25mm dangerous/race only is because it does allow for greater enter/exit speed over the 22mm and also allows for a tighter line to be taken thru a turn, which if your tires aren't up to the task will break the rear end out on you.

My recommendation is if you go el-cheapo on your tires, then go with the 22mm. However if you don't skimp on the tires, then go with the 25mm. Keep in mind, my recommendation is based on a stock Viggen suspension (exp for steering brace and poly control arms), I can't comment on anything else as I have no experience with any other suspension set up on a 9-3.

My plan is to switch between the two: the 22mm for the rainy season and then come spring, put the 25mm back on. Remeber, tires are ~75% of how your car handles and suspension is only ~25%....the key is keeping everything in harmony, the tires AND the suspension!

But I do agree, that if you don't know how to drive a car with oversteer, then stay away from the 25mm. I am a previous D-Street Prepared autocrosser and oversteer was essental for my '90 GTI to be competative....had you saw me out on the course, you would have thought that GTI was rear wheel drive.
10-03-2008 08:13 AM
GenuineSaab ARB is mostly a bandaid for too soft of springs. Trying to get the car to do something it shouldn't. It all needs to be balanced. Like saying a GT30 is great with stock intercooler. Sure it works better but it is not the best setup.

Not my car.. Run whatever you want.
10-03-2008 07:44 AM
Jameson I like the 22mm for daily use. I have the 24mm bar up front.

But after AutoXing I would not mind a bit more rotation with willingness for the ass to come unglued.

With the price being so low and being so easy to change I am going to buy a 25mm just for track days.
10-03-2008 07:43 AM
Tweek's Turbos Sorry Nick. I have the 24mm upfront and love how the 25 balances it out in the rear. Between that, the shocks springs and poly the car seems to evenly slide when pushed into corners.


But I agree with code, start with the 22 and see how it feels.
10-03-2008 07:36 AM
GenuineSaab Unless you have a specialised setup the 1" rear bar is too much.. That is why it is listed as race only.. Oh well nobody ever listens..
http://www.trolltuner.com/archives/2006/12/#000027
10-03-2008 06:30 AM
codesplice
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Originally Posted by liketheword View Post
This has been the conclusion of many. Including Nick from GS.

I have to agree. It has been a perfect addition to my 02 and 99 9-3's!
For a standard street car, yes.

It all depends on what's going to be done with the car. That's why I suggested starting out with the 22mm. If you find that's not stiff enough in the rear for the sort of driving you do, upgrade.
10-03-2008 06:25 AM
liketheword
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Originally Posted by viggenkid View Post
i think a 22mm with lowered suspension is about the perfect balance
This has been the conclusion of many. Including Nick from GS.

I have to agree. It has been a perfect addition to my 02 and 99 9-3's!
10-03-2008 06:03 AM
codesplice I'd recommend starting out with the 22mm, and then stepping up to a 25 later down the road (there will always be someone who will buy the 22mm from you ). That way you don't find yourself in over your head with potentially dangerous oversteer in a FWD car (which does feel totally unnatural, by the way).

That's the way I did it, and I've got no regrets.
10-03-2008 06:01 AM
lms
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Originally Posted by gorillajin View Post
ok, thanks for the all the advices.
well i was thinking to go with 23mm...if GS still offer it, other wise, i will go with 22mm one since i loved it when i had it on integra gsr.

if i will take my car to a track, i guess i will go with 25mm, but it's my DD so no 25mm for me
thank you for the info though
You can not even come close to comparing one sway bar on one car to another on a different car.
There a bunch of posts in regards to the 22 vs 25 so do a search and find out all about the two.
10-02-2008 08:33 PM
Elmo i have 25 mm with no issues
10-02-2008 07:56 PM
gorillajin ok, thanks for the all the advices.
well i was thinking to go with 23mm...if GS still offer it, other wise, i will go with 22mm one since i loved it when i had it on integra gsr.

if i will take my car to a track, i guess i will go with 25mm, but it's my DD so no 25mm for me
thank you for the info though
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