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Old 10-20-2014, 03:25 AM   #1
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No oil getting to head/cams need help please

I'm double posting this from another forum hoping for more help from here. Ok so I finally had time to get everything back together from doing headgasket and timing chain. Now I don't know if I f'd it all up... Bacsically I can't get to oil pump to flow oil up to the head. I thought everything was good and filled the car up with oil and coolant. Thought I was priming the it(di unplugged and cranking it). Then started it and it sound like diesel truck, now I was was expecting noise from the lifters and was expecting it to get better. Then I looked and my oil pressure gauge and it wasn't building any oil pressure 0psi. I got scared and turned the car off, it ran for prob a minute. At this point I was very up set and felt like a fool.... So I took the valve cover off to see is the cams would be covered in oil and of course looked the same as when I put the valve cover on.. Now I didn't take the oil pan off so I didn't touch anything in the pickup tube or anything. I just toke head off and timing cover and touched the oil pump and everything in there which I shouldn't of touched.... So now I want to know if you guys think I did any damage to the head/valve train? Nothing looked scratched that I could see. And what could I have not done correctly to make the oil pump work correctly? I made sure the pump ring had the little mark on it facing out. Is there a certain spot it it needs to be clocked to? Also does it matter what way the capanion flange faces?(I think that's what is called) Also does anyone know the correct way to prime the oil pump? And if your suppose to pack it with silglide or something? I have a photo of how everything was set up before I just took it apart again. I would be so greatful if anyone could please help me to get this right. I hate myself right now....



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Did you forget an o-ring or two on the oil pickup tube?
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Did you forget an o-ring or two on the oil pickup tube?
I didnt take the oil pan off so that shouldnt be it. I only took the head and timing cover off. I also cleaned the pick up screen prob 10k ago and replaced those o rings. Any other thoughts?
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I didnt take the oil pan off so that shouldnt be it. I only took the head and timing cover off. I also cleaned the pick up screen prob 10k ago and replaced those o rings. Any other thoughts?
The bolts that hold the cams on are what supply the cams/lifters with oil. They have a channel cut into them. Did you take any of those bolts off?

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The bolts that hold the cams on are what supply the cams/lifters with oil. They have a channel cut into them. Did you take any of those bolts off?

I did take the cams off but I did check that the bolts are correct and the caps are the correct way. Is there a specific way you have to prime the oil pump to get it flowing?
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before i do anything else, i would remove the oil pan, and check to make sure it isnt clogged, sometimes things happen when a motor sits with milky oil inside of it

did you touch the balance shafts? they are key to a system that gets oil pressure?
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The headgasket didn't fail completely no coolant or oil mixed it was just leaking from a coolant passage out the side of the head. I did change the balance shaft chain the balance shaft sprockets. But I lined them up correctly I'm pretty sure. If it was off a tooth would it cause this? I really want to avoid dropping it. Would I be able to see if the screen was clogged with a stethoscope if I looked thorough the hole below the oil pump or when it flows into the pump? I suppose it may come down to pulling it. How much oil will flow out by the lifters if I get it right? Will it should all over w the valve cover off or does it just kinda dribble out? Or if I put the oil pump cover on and leave the snap ring off and the put the pulley back on and tighten it can I try priming it like that? Or will the oil pump cover come loose and effect it from priming? It's a pain getting that ring on and off
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IM not sure if it wouldnt prime becuase I didnt pack it first or if I wasnt cranking it long enough. But I got to it to prime! I packed the gear with silglide and had to literally crank it for multiple times at like 20 second intervals. So got the car running fine everything quieted down after 15- 20 mins and a little drive. Now on to figure out why its over boosting now with the same helper spring setup. Anyone know if this could have to do with the valves being ported and the exhaust manifold?
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IM not sure if it wouldnt prime becuase I didnt pack it first or if I wasnt cranking it long enough. But I got to it to prime! I packed the gear with silglide and had to literally crank it for multiple times at like 20 second intervals. So got the car running fine everything quieted down after 15- 20 mins and a little drive. Now on to figure out why its over boosting now with the same helper spring setup. Anyone know if this could have to do with the valves being ported and the exhaust manifold?
Nice dude, glad you got it to prime. Why are you running a helper spring? What turbo and other mods?
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Haha me too! Stage 5 e85 19t that's why I'm running a helper spring
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Haha me too! Stage 5 e85 19t that's why I'm running a helper spring
Who tuned it? A 19T with properly adjusted base boost should be fine without? Mike D, care to weigh in?
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Jzw, I've been using a helper spring for a while. My baseboost I believe is set at 7 psi. Curious what mike thinks as well
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I would ditch the helper spring and spend the money on a Forge unit running the right spring for your base boost target. After that I would find someone who knows how to tune properly and buy a tune from them.
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Where do you find one of the forge ones? I've looked but can't find any in the US. Johns always been really good to me and I trust him
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You can buy them directly from forge.
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There a few people, john is one of them, that feel it's best to adjust BB over stock using a helper spring. Something to do with the amount of initial pre-load when you turn it in as opposed to adding a spring after stock BB is set.
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There a few people, john is one of them, that feel it's best to adjust BB over stock using a helper spring. Something to do with the amount of initial pre-load when you turn it in as opposed to adding a spring after stock BB is set.
It's been working fine for me that way and it's a lot cheaper
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There a few people, john is one of them, that feel it's best to adjust BB over stock using a helper spring. Something to do with the amount of initial pre-load when you turn it in as opposed to adding a spring after stock BB is set.
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It's been working fine for me that way and it's a lot cheaper
Do you think he also recommends this to his BMW and Volvo customers? Very doubtful. I have a feeling that he chooses a spring because telling someone with a $2,500 car to spend 10% of the value on a wastegate does not have good results. Buy a good wastegate (there are knockoffs that work, check eBay) and adjust it properly.
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Do you think he also recommends this to his BMW and Volvo customers? Very doubtful. I have a feeling that he chooses a spring because telling someone with a $2,500 car to spend 10% of the value on a wastegate does not have good results. Buy a good wastegate (there are knockoffs that work, check eBay) and adjust it properly.
I was searching on eBay but was having a hard time finding one that would fit. They were all for subies
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