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Old 03-13-2006, 11:28 AM   #1
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tire reccommendation

My last tires lasted me about 4 months. on stage 1.

now stage3 is coming and so is spring and I need tires. I want good performance but not to pay out the arse for it. so i am looking at "ultra high performance" and not MAX performance...ALso because I want decent treadlife...

SUMMER tires, not allseason junk-I have winter tires.

Here are some that looked OK


BF goodrich GForce KDW2
Sumitumo HTRZ II
Yokohama AVS ES100
KUMHO Ecsta Supra 712
Dunlop SP Sport FM901
Sumitumo HTR Z
KUMHO Ecsta SPT

leaning towards the GFORCE KDW2, heard good thing by a few guys here.

anyone have suggestions/opinions or want to share any "that tire sucks" stories?

or is there something good I forgot to look at not on this list?
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Old 03-13-2006, 11:29 AM   #2
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if ya have the money, look into Nokian NRv or NRy. You might even be able to find a set of Zs
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Smart choices....The max performance ones are usually super sticky, so they're very soft rubber and have a short treadlife. If you use winter wheels and tires for part of the year, you should be able to extend your summer tires by several years....

If you have a Costco membership, the KDW2s are very reasonably priced....Much cheaper than Tire Rack or similar online retailers....
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the KDW are gonna be very loud, will give you some rattles and vibrations but are very grippy. Bill, goviggen, has these as well as I think Blue 9-3.

I have the Sumitomo HTR Z II and I really like em. in 17's I paid around $80 a tire. I have done some odd rotations, so I have two new ones and two originals after two summers. I should be good for another summer, so make what you want of that. They grip really well for me.

I hear the Goodyear f1 something's are really good. Mike, mg_td, has these.

My buddy with the supra has the Dunlops. He says they are good for the money, but he wishes he spent more to get something grippier.
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yeah the GForce and the HTRZ II right now are my finalilsts. i think the eagle you mentione Seth are MAX performance a bit costlier and will wear quicker.

right now I have two bald ass sumituomo HTR+ allseason and two of the same that look new.

Guess I did not rotate the tires enough, strange though since they were put on in May and lasted only till November of the same year.
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the KDW are gonna be very loud, will give you some rattles and vibrations but are very grippy. Bill, goviggen, has these as well as I think Blue 9-3.
Definitely agree about the noise. There's a definite hum at exactly 40 mph, but then it goes away. The KDW sidewalls are pretty responsive, so they'll transmit more road feel to the wheel. That's both good and bad. Your steering will feel much crisper, but you'll know exactly when you roll over a worm....

The grip is insane, though.
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The Yokos are pretty soft, too.....
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yeah the GForce and the HTRZ II right now are my finalilsts. i think the eagle you mentione Seth are MAX performance a bit costlier and will wear quicker.

right now I have two bald ass sumituomo HTR+ allseason and two of the same that look new.

Guess I did not rotate the tires enough, strange though since they were put on in May and lasted only till November of the same year.
Maybe it was a bad alignment? I had this problem and is partly why I only needed to new ones, not 4.
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Maybe it was a bad alignment? I had this problem and is partly why I only needed to new ones, not 4.
mine are pretty evenly bald. just bald as hell. you'd think I had stage 8 the way they wore right down to the wear indicator in a few months.

Mike I am not worried about noise or comfort, the car is already nice and stiff and anything is quieter than the studded Hakka's I run in winter. sounds like the Gforce might be the top choice for a relatively cheap and grippy tire.
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I have only used KUMHO Ecsta Supra 712 on your list. And they have amazing traction, only they go rather quickly in the tread wear department. So they won't last that long. I now have Pirelli PNero Zero's on, and they suck in all fields, grip in snow/rain/dry, tread wear...Just my 2 cents.
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Old 03-13-2006, 11:50 AM   #11
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yeah the car came with pirelli p6000 M+S and i burned through those real quick even when the car was bone stock. I was not pleased with them. Then I got the saem but summer version and was not impressed, would spin the tires endlessly in the STOCK AUTOMATIC if it was even misting out and not even very wet.
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The BFGs stick like glue wet or dry. Hottest tread pattern out there if you go for that sort of thing. There is the noise factor, but if you don't care, these are probably the tire for you.
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falkens are real good i use the azenis st 115 with the new quiet ride technology. quitest tire ive ever had...and i mean almost dead silent. They are real grippy wet and dry and have a pretty good treadwear rating (300 i belive)...you can usually get a set for about 300 shipped for 4.



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Im leaning between the KDW's my self or the Bridgestone Potenza SO3 pole positions. I have heard good things about both..real hard decision haha.

From your list I would pick the KDW's
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yeah I wanted pole positions until I saw how expensive they are and they will probably not last me very long. realistically, I am not racing every day or anythng so I guess ultra high performance will do.
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i love the falken ziex 512's i have. super dry traction and great in any weather.
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Ok, This is only my impression but I would strongly suggest staying away from the BFG KDW II's... at first I thought these tires were awesome...
The wet and dry traction was VERY good... the noise was a little much at first but I got used to it.
Within a few months, the noise became MUCH louder... and as soon as the tires started to wear even a little bit... they lost most of the traction that I loved about them to begin with. After 12,000 miles the tires were all but useless... the dry traction was moderate at best, but the wet traction was equivelent to racing slicks... Honestly, when they had about 14,000 miles on them I tried driving to Saabtoberfeast in PA from NH. First I drive to Syracuse NY from NH to meet Ben and on that trip it rained moderately... I could not exceed 45 mph on the highway without literally drifting off the highway... It was miserable... by the time I met Ben in NY, I parked my car and rode with him because the car was a slippery waste of space with those tires. I bought new tires after that and will never look back... For the price and for how long the tires lasted functionally... they were USELESS... I would highly discourage purchasing them.
I don't think it was just my set of tires either, two other saab drivers in my area had them after me and both of them purchased different tires before 10K miles due to the terrible handling and noise. I just don't think they were worth it.... If you are going to buy a tire that lasts less than 10K miles, they better cost less than 80 bucks a tire./
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What tires did you switch to?
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WOW Thanks for that review Bill. i know what you mean about the wet hydroplane thing, on the way back from SIS last year I could not stay with Tweek and Shane my Pirelli were worn and i could go maybe 50 and start to feel the wheels break contact... scary

Maybe the HTR Z II, since they are pretty cheap
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Well for the Winter I went with the Nokian's which are great... they have been holding their tread very very well... Its time to take them off and get new summer tires... but considering how well the nokians are doing, and they don't feel like snow tires on dry roads, I'm in no rush... but of course its better to save the expensive nokians for winter use only...
so basically I too have to start looking for summer tires, but I haven't really started researching yet - more than likely I am going to go with cheap tires that I will replace often rather than try to get really good summer tires that I have to eak extra miles out of
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