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Old 07-15-2009, 07:27 PM   #1
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5 speed conversion

gytre and I are about to undertake an auto to manual trans. conversion on a 900se t

We thought the biggest problem was going to be the clutch pedal. We just have to drill the holes for the pedal bracket bolt and run the clutch cable right?

We mentioned this to Nick T. and he brought up other differences like the starter and reverse setups/wiring. Does anyone have more info on how to make these work?

Also will the shifter rod have a spot to go through on the auto or do we have to do some heavy cutting?
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JK did it in a 9000. Keep a good photo collection of this. I want to do this in my car in the next 2 years.
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JK did it in a 9000. Keep a good photo collection of this. I want to do this in my car in the next 2 years.
what he said
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I new/remembered he did. Didn't remember that it was well documented(w/ photos). I'll check it out. I hope he went into detail and included info about starter and reverse light wiring.
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Give the car a good wash/wax/detail, sell it, and buy a car already with a 5-speed.
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Give the car a good wash/wax/detail, sell it, and buy a car already with a 5-speed.
that might be the best option for most people, but it's not for everyone, those with access to cheap replacement parts, and with a good garage, and good wrench skills, it can definitely be better to mod the existing car, especially if there are already other mods on the car that would just be more headaches to transfer to a new one

would YOU want to install another 6pt brace, arb, konis, intercooler, and bushings, on a new car, just to get the 5 speed car? (this is just an example of a set of mods)


seems like more work, and cost to me, than just swapping the trans in

and besides doing a big job like this is fun for some of us
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that might be the best option for most people, but it's not for everyone, those with access to cheap replacement parts, and with a good garage, and good wrench skills, it can definitely be better to mod the existing car, especially if there are already other mods on the car that would just be more headaches to transfer to a new one

would YOU want to install another 6pt brace, arb, konis, intercooler, and bushings, on a new car, just to get the 5 speed car? (this is just an example of a set of mods)


seems like more work, and cost to me, than just swapping the trans in

and besides doing a big job like this is fun for some of us
that and the fact that he has a warehouse full of these ng900s and parts to go with them, im hoping that we can figure out the wiring issue easily for the starter, the reverse lights i dont care about as much as needing to start it hah
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the 9000 and 900 aren't going to be the exact same.
I did a swap on my car too.

I would think once you start tearing apart the car that you will find plugs in the firewall for the cable clutch. But i would reccomend going to straight for a hydraulic system. There is also provisoins for that too.

as far as the wiring you would have to look at what wires to trick the car that it is in park or neutral for it to start.

also if you have the clutch pedal assembly from the other car it should bolt right in no cutting needed.

Just start tearing apart!
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the 9000 and 900 aren't going to be the exact same.
I did a swap on my car too.

I would think once you start tearing apart the car that you will find plugs in the firewall for the cable clutch. But i would reccomend going to straight for a hydraulic system. There is also provisoins for that too.

as far as the wiring you would have to look at what wires to trick the car that it is in park or neutral for it to start.

also if you have the clutch pedal assembly from the other car it should bolt right in no cutting needed.

Just start tearing apart!
its already torn apart we just dont have the automatic one torn down yet.
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I highly doubt you'll have to drill any holes anywhere. The wiring for the reverse light switch is probably a minor issue you'll have to overcome. I suppose you need to find out where the switch is on the auto, and either splice in the correct connector for the switch for a manual, or find some other solution...and probably not the end of the world if you don't get that part figured out.

For the neutral safety switch you will need to do some figureing there as well, same with pulling the brain/harness for the auto. You can probably leave it in place, but I don't know to what extent you need to modify things so it allows the car to start without the NSS being hooked up to anything.

I know the whole swap is possible, and probably not very difficult, but there is not a lot of documentation in english about it. It has been done before though.
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I highly doubt you'll have to drill any holes anywhere. The wiring for the reverse light switch is probably a minor issue you'll have to overcome. I suppose you need to find out where the switch is on the auto, and either splice in the correct connector for the switch for a manual, or find some other solution...and probably not the end of the world if you don't get that part figured out.

For the neutral safety switch you will need to do some figureing there as well, same with pulling the brain/harness for the auto. You can probably leave it in place, but I don't know to what extent you need to modify things so it allows the car to start without the NSS being hooked up to anything.

I know the whole swap is possible, and probably not very difficult, but there is not a lot of documentation in english about it. It has been done before though.
like i said the reverse lights i dont care about but the starting is an issue.. is there a way to put like a push button start deal in there? not sure how that would be set up either
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Sure, you can do anything, but that has no relevance to figuring out how the NSS interacts with the ignition.
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This is what Ive found:

You have to do NO drilling. None. All the firewall passes, clutch pedal location, and shifter linkage are all there. The brake booster has a provision for the hydro clutch as well, is almost bolt on.

The only cutting to be done is the interior carpet to expose the mounting location for the clutch pedal (at least on my car).
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If you have the complete donor car it might be easiest just to swap wiring harnesses.

Hydro conversion to an earlier cable car requires very slight drilling/cutting.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:47 AM   #15
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yup. if you're gonna do the hydraulic conversion (which i would 10,000,000% recommend), you will need to do cutting & drilling
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im not sure that the hydraulic conversion would be worth it for me, i dont mind either way though if its easy and cheap its a possibility
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im not sure that the hydraulic conversion would be worth it for me, i dont mind either way though if its easy and cheap its a possibility
I would definitely do the hydraulic conversion. I hate my clutch cable in our NG900. YUCK! Sloppy feel and unreliable after a year of use or 20,000 miles.
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For the NSS situation you just need to jump two pins on the car side of the nss plug. Pretty simple if you looked at a wiring diagram it would tell which two wires that need to be connected to start the car.
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For the NSS situation you just need to jump two pins on the car side of the nss plug. Pretty simple if you looked at a wiring diagram it would tell which two wires that need to be connected to start the car.
can you get a print out of the wiring diagram for that from wis or anyone else? if not ill just have to ask nick
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I have one. Let me PM it to you... It was print out from my Saab Mechanic Friend at the local dealership. I don't think I can actively share it as it may or may not be copyrighted.
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