New 93 vs. (modded) Viggen - The Saab Link Forums

Go Back   The Saab Link Forums > Saab New 9-3 '03+ Forum > General New 9-3 Posts and Information

General New 9-3 Posts and Information Please post general information pertaining to the new 9-3.

SaabLink.net is the premier Saab Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-05-2008, 05:51 PM   #1
SAAB Road Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: South Shore MA
Posts: 352
New 93 vs. (modded) Viggen

Went and test drove an '08 93 2.0T and a '06 2.8T Aero today. Honestly, I couldn't tell the difference between the 4 and 6 cyl. Neither one had catastrophic torque steer (may be a good thing). and neither left rubber in 2nd. The 2.0 actually had a more audible blow-off "pcheee". Clutch pedal in both felt so very vague. After my trip to the dealer, I think I'll be keeping my OG 93 Viggen. What do you all think? I think the 3 years no cost maint. would be nice, but I'm the if it ain't broke, convince yourself it could be better type. Again, not a soapbox Viggen owner, I just want some insight before I possibly drop the hammer.
__________________
2004 Silverado 2500HD Crew cab LT 6.0 LQ4, K+N intake, Magnaflow dual exhaust. Diablosport tuner.
2000 Viggen Vert *Gone - buy/enjoy my parts!
2010 Corolla S I dig it.
Marksy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-05-2008, 06:00 PM   #2
Elder
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: MI
Posts: 10,066
Send a message via AIM to Jameson
The handling is far superior on the new cars and the lack of tq steer is nice. They are also very clean looking for a sedan.

But there is plenty about them that I am not a big fan of. I would replace our 04' in a heartbeat with an 08', but Saab does not make anything I would replace the Viggen with. The closest thing would be a black or blue 9-5 Aero wagon 5mt with vented seats that I would build the hell out of
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Jameson is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2008, 06:15 PM   #3
SAAB Road Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: South Shore MA
Posts: 352
Thaks for the quick reply Jameson. The handling was on "on par" with my 00 CVT with a 22mm arb. I love Saab , but Im sure my 30k could get me better handling and performance. Seats were a joke. No character.
__________________
2004 Silverado 2500HD Crew cab LT 6.0 LQ4, K+N intake, Magnaflow dual exhaust. Diablosport tuner.
2000 Viggen Vert *Gone - buy/enjoy my parts!
2010 Corolla S I dig it.
Marksy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2008, 06:16 PM   #4
Live, eat, and sleep by TSL
 
Voodoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Hopkins, MN
Posts: 1,200
Send a message via AIM to Voodoo Send a message via Yahoo to Voodoo
My only complaints after a week with my new 9-3 is the clutch. It's got such a long throw it's unbelievable. I know the Viggen's is really short, but I have never driven a car with as long a clutch pedal throw as these.

They're a touch down on power from the stock Viggen, but it's far more controlled, and as Jameson said the platform is lightyears ahead of the previous 9-3. It doesn't feel like it's as quick as it actually is. It's very smooth, there's no wall of torque, so that might be why it feels different. It can grab rubber on a shift but no, it won't break the tires loose.

I don't regret getting the new car a bit, to be honest. The Viggen is cool and unique, while I bought a regular ol' 9-3 straight off the lot, so if that's an issue for you then you may want to look for a Turbo-X down the road. The long warranty was appealing, after dumping around $3k into various issues on the Viggen this year. The interior is a lot more generic than the previous generations; for example the SID is gone, it's now a display in the speedo cluster same as most any other Euro car (which is actually safer).

At the price point they're regularly at, there's a lot of cars out there that I would look at. I bought mine because of the sick amount of rebates and incentives they had going on til the end of October. I think it's a fine car. I love the looks of it, the front end is amazing and the ice block tails provide a great contrast to the jet black paint without looking cheesy/ricey. Looks are, of course, subjective; the other cars in the segment you may cross-shop (A4, 3 series) do nothing for me personally.

It's not as much of a standout as the Viggen was, but the firm chassis, improved handling, smooth engine (with a hint of turbine whistle stock, loves it) and comfortable interior was just too tempting, especially at the $23k price I got.
__________________
2010 Mustang GT/2000 Saab 9-5 SE sportwagen
Voodoo is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2008, 06:38 PM   #5
Elder
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: South Boston, MA
Posts: 3,983
Send a message via AIM to rafal
voodoo, what did you spend $3k for ??
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
rafal is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2008, 07:49 PM   #6
Live, eat, and sleep by TSL
 
Voodoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Hopkins, MN
Posts: 1,200
Send a message via AIM to Voodoo Send a message via Yahoo to Voodoo
Transmission rebuild (stage 2 clutch kit, ~$600 in parts ~$1500 labor), A/C compressor took a shit ($400 part new, $500 install). Grr.
__________________
2010 Mustang GT/2000 Saab 9-5 SE sportwagen
Voodoo is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2008, 08:03 PM   #7
Elder
 
viggenkid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: In the trenches taking grenades
Posts: 4,853
Send a message via AIM to viggenkid
depends on what you want.

viggen:
unique
hatch
better tuning options
better iterior

New 9-3
handsome sedan, but not a saab hatch
superior handling/platform/technology
not as many tuning options as viggen yet.
much more "bland" (lacks the saab quarkyness)
__________________
Quote:
So, in summary...who gives a flying fack.
viggenkid is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2008, 09:00 PM   #8
User
Elder
 
zingZACH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Durham, NH
Posts: 9,193
Send a message via AIM to zingZACH
That, and we'll see how much longer GM keeps Saab.... I've heard bad things
__________________
1999 9-3 Viggen - T7 Suite Stage 3
1988 900 Springtime in Sweden


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
zingZACH is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-06-2008, 03:44 AM   #9
Flirting With TSL Addiction
 
coreyeroc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 861
ah jeez... REALLY?? You're REALLY considering selling your Vig for one of those new "sedans"? I dont want any of what you're smoking.

I've got a oldsmobile I'll trade ya if you're into the whole 'sedan' thing.
coreyeroc is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-06-2008, 03:45 AM   #10
SAAB Road Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: South Shore MA
Posts: 352
I feel your pain Voodoo ($3k in repairs, gasp). Yeah, the 3 years no cost maintenance would be nice. I JUST missed out on the owner loyalty bonus and for what the monthly payment would be, I guess i'll just keep dumping money into an almost 9 year old car. Again, Voodoo, sweet ride.
__________________
2004 Silverado 2500HD Crew cab LT 6.0 LQ4, K+N intake, Magnaflow dual exhaust. Diablosport tuner.
2000 Viggen Vert *Gone - buy/enjoy my parts!
2010 Corolla S I dig it.
Marksy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-06-2008, 03:46 AM   #11
Flirting With TSL Addiction
 
coreyeroc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 861
Quote:
Originally Posted by zingZACH View Post
That, and we'll see how much longer GM keeps Saab.... I've heard bad things
Holy crap I hope they let go of them. They've already managed to ruin everything that they are in the past few years.

sorry for double post.
coreyeroc is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-06-2008, 05:04 AM   #12
Elder
 
Champ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: MN domination
Posts: 3,658
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marksy View Post
Thaks for the quick reply Jameson. The handling was on "on par" with my 00 CVT with a 22mm arb. I love Saab , but Im sure my 30k could get me better handling and performance. Seats were a joke. No character.
It's not on par with any OG 9-3. Not even close!
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Champ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-06-2008, 05:35 AM   #13
Elder
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: MI
Posts: 10,066
Send a message via AIM to Jameson
Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ View Post
It's not on par with any OG 9-3. Not even close!
X2, esepecially an OG vert compared to an NG/SS sedan.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Jameson is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-06-2008, 07:07 AM   #14
Elder
 
NahumCC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 9,197
Send a message via AIM to NahumCC Send a message via MSN to NahumCC Send a message via Yahoo to NahumCC
I don't know why you have the opinion you do of the V6T Aero's.

I just test drove one this weekend and loved it. The 6spd manual is great. I liked where it kept the power band at during downshifts. I do now understand about the vague shifter feel and that it needs improvment but I didn't find it that bad.

Compared to my stage 3 99 9-3 they are the same power output but the v6 comes on earlier and smoother with the torque. The 6spd also allows the gears to take advantage of the torque and it felt like it made the sprint much quicker to a nice 80+ speed.

I preferred the clutch feel in the 9-3ss to that of my og9-3. Even after a rebleed my og9-3 is still way down on the floor. I've got a new master cylinder for it but haven't had the time to put it in. My clutch is only a year old and is a viggen disk/pp with spec flywheel combo. After I got used to the pedal on the SS with its engagement feel right as you push in I was off and preferred it completely to my current 9-3.

For me the test drive sold the car on the spot. I'm getting a 9-3 sport combi aero as soon as I can afford one reasonbly after graduation. Lauren also approved of the car so the fact that I got the Mrs. approval during the test drive makes it even easier. My son was laughing to during the test drive.



__________________
2013 FR-S

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
NahumCC is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-06-2008, 10:31 AM   #15
Live, eat, and sleep by TSL
 
Voodoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Hopkins, MN
Posts: 1,200
Send a message via AIM to Voodoo Send a message via Yahoo to Voodoo
Oh I woulda loved a 2.8 Aero but that just wasn't in the budget for me. I don't find the regular sedan bland at all, but to each their own I guess. It's definitely not the hatchback, and it's still quite lame that they don't have one in the line-up but it wasn't a deal breaker for me (and I don't care for the sportcombi after I looked at it, I'm just not a wagon kinda guy).

There is no comparison between the og9-3 and the 9-3SS in terms of handling. It's night and day. This car feels so planted and stable, even when I didn't have a bad ball joint on the Viggen on it's best day with summer tires it could not handle like this car does. Whatever they did to minimize torque steer and allow the car to put power to the ground is impressive as hell, I can romp on it through a tight corner and it won't get away from me in the slightest, yet keeps going. It's a very impressive platform.

The 9-3SS doesn't feel as unique as the Viggen. I wouldn't say the interior is better on the og9-3, just different and more "normal" (I personally like the new interior well enough, just not as much as I liked the CTS that I also was contemplating). Nick's shop sells those PPC upgrades for the T8 that are good for like 260hp without exhaust, that's more than enough power for most people (hell the 210 has 230ft-lbs of torque, more than enough to fling your ass and get you in trouble).

The way I decided to get the new car was based on how much I was paying a month, plus how much it cost me to repair the car over the last year. It ends up being about the same as the new car payment, so for me I decided it was time for a new car. I miss the uniqueness of the Viggen (and it did have better seats), but I personally am really happy with the new 9-3 and don't regret my decision in the slightest.
__________________
2010 Mustang GT/2000 Saab 9-5 SE sportwagen
Voodoo is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-09-2008, 02:05 PM   #16
SAAB Road Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: South Shore MA
Posts: 352
Quote:
ah jeez... REALLY?? You're REALLY considering selling your Vig for one of those new "sedans"? I dont want any of what you're smoking.

I've got a oldsmobile I'll trade ya if you're into the whole 'sedan' thing.
If its an Aurora with the 3.5 Shortstar, we got a deal. he he. I was baited in by the "owner loyalty" and zero percert financing, both were gone by the time I got there. boo. I don't mind having to fix the car here and there and buying expensive parts, I just have nowhere to do it and it's getting cold here in New England.

I did see a nice 08 at Village Saab . .. .
__________________
2004 Silverado 2500HD Crew cab LT 6.0 LQ4, K+N intake, Magnaflow dual exhaust. Diablosport tuner.
2000 Viggen Vert *Gone - buy/enjoy my parts!
2010 Corolla S I dig it.
Marksy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-25-2008, 05:02 PM   #17
Avid TSL User
 
RBatsch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Ottawa, ON. CANADA
Posts: 258
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marksy View Post
If its an Aurora with the 3.5 Shortstar, we got a deal. he he. I was baited in by the "owner loyalty" and zero percert financing, both were gone by the time I got there. boo. I don't mind having to fix the car here and there and buying expensive parts, I just have nowhere to do it and it's getting cold here in New England.

I did see a nice 08 at Village Saab . .. .
Couldn't you do a lot of repairs for what a newer car would cost you? At the end of the day, in 3 years time, your Viggen will be worth more than an SS....any SS!

My guess is the value of SSs will really drop. Fuel costs, repair costs, and the fact that the car doesn't have much appeal to younger drivers. The latter is why I think we don't see many performance mods....the car's just to big and heavy.

I say keep the Viggen, keep it in top shape and enjoy!
RBatsch is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-25-2008, 05:32 PM   #18
Elder
 
NahumCC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 9,197
Send a message via AIM to NahumCC Send a message via MSN to NahumCC Send a message via Yahoo to NahumCC
Sorry to say this but the SS has much more appeal to me as a younger driver then most thats out there in this market segment.

9-5 new front is a huge miss on me.



__________________
2013 FR-S

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
NahumCC is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-25-2008, 05:50 PM   #19
Flirting With TSL Addiction
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Oconomowoc, WI
Posts: 941
Send a message via AIM to Slow Joe Send a message via Yahoo to Slow Joe
Quote:
Originally Posted by RBatsch View Post
Fuel costs, repair costs, and the fact that the car doesn't have much appeal to younger drivers. The latter is why I think we don't see many performance mods....the car's just to big and heavy.
Fuel Costs???
Our '04 Arc Automatic Vert gets around 30mpg Average.

Repair Costs??
95K with minimal repairs. 1 set of Brakes, 2 sets of tires, a couple serp belts ($15/ea), 2 sets of spark plugs ($16/set), and of course oil changes every 5k...

Lack of appeal to younger drivers?
Are you serious? I'm in the younger 20s demographic and all of my friends love our Saab and want one similar... It's sleek, sporty, and has some up and go...
__________________
Thanks,
Joe Reichard
10 Saabs
1 Mercedes
Complete Addict.
Slow Joe is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-26-2008, 10:02 AM   #20
SAAB Road Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: South Shore MA
Posts: 352
I'm definetly keeping the Viggen. Sales tax on the new '08 would cost more than what I plan on spending on maintenance and upgrades. The 08-09 appealed to me (23) for exterior styling only. The peformance and interior didn't back it up. I will say that it handled much better in stock trim.
__________________
2004 Silverado 2500HD Crew cab LT 6.0 LQ4, K+N intake, Magnaflow dual exhaust. Diablosport tuner.
2000 Viggen Vert *Gone - buy/enjoy my parts!
2010 Corolla S I dig it.
Marksy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiTweet this Post!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Tags
9-33 vs viggen, 9-3ss vs og 9-3

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Saab Link Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Vehicle Info.
Enter your vehicle information (year, model, mods)
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:07 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
All content is copyright The Saab Link and it's original authors.


 

Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.