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Old 06-13-2006, 05:59 PM   #1
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Bring Me the Head of a 99 Turbo !!! (not 56k friendly)

For the first message in this forum in four months, I thought I should post some pics after the head was pulled off my '78 99 turbo. I had some excellent and valuable assistance from JK9000s, who got the last two bolts off.

First look after the head was off:




The front cylinder (closest to the radiator):




The middle front cylinder (2d closest to radiator):

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Old 06-13-2006, 06:17 PM   #2
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yikes, was that at the bottom of a lake? yeah this forum is a bit on the slow side, but how many 99's do you see driving around?

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Here's the middle back cylinder (3rd closest to radiator):




Here's the back cylinder (closest to firewall):




Here's a picture of the head (brightness enhanced):

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And, sadly, a crack in the exhaust manifold


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yikes, was that at the bottom of a lake? yeah this forum is a bit on the slow side, but how many 99's do you see driving around?

Paul
Unfortunately, taking off the head has taken some time. I ran into some bolts I couldn't get off, after I had taken off the head bolts, and some radiator fluid and oil (apparently) dripped into the cylinders.

I can't be totally sure of that, though, because the car has sat for 9 years.

But no, it wasn't in a lake. I'm hoping that I can buff/polish the rust off.
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Lets see some pics of the car?? glad its coming along!
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Exterior Pictures

Pictures, as requested

One thing that doesn't show up well in the pictures are the Inca aluminum wheels. A previous owner has sprayed white paint on them. They need to be redone, obviously.














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ouch white painted incas...thats just no good

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Looks like a great project.
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yeah, are you just planning on doing the gasket or a partial rebuild? With the engine in that condition, Personally I would hone it, clean everything, and install a new set of rings and bearings. I would also highly recommend getting that head cleaned, planed and a valve job. If you have a NAPA in the general area with a machine shop, they usually do great work. Ask the guy doing the work if you can just pay cash to him (just say you don't need a receipt and can pay cash)

you might get away just replacing the gasket but if I were doing the job I like to be sure about things. Does look like a nice project!
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yeah, are you just planning on doing the gasket or a partial rebuild? With the engine in that condition, Personally I would hone it, clean everything, and install a new set of rings and bearings. I would also highly recommend getting that head cleaned, planed and a valve job. If you have a NAPA in the general area with a machine shop, they usually do great work. Ask the guy doing the work if you can just pay cash to him (just say you don't need a receipt and can pay cash)

you might get away just replacing the gasket but if I were doing the job I like to be sure about things. Does look like a nice project!
I started this with the idea of just doing the head gasket, just to get it running. So I could enjoy driving the car while putting off a more thorough rehab until later.

Now I'm not so sure. I will do all the work on the head done that you suggest, and obviously I'll clean as much as I can with the engine still in the car. But if I pull the engine I just have the feeling it'll be months or longer before it goes back in.
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well doing a "good for now" job is always an option, but if you do a complete job the first time that engine should last you another 200,000 miles, probably much longer than the body of the car will last... plus you'll never have to have the engine apart again. Also, if you plan on doing the water pump while you are at it, I have the correct tool for doing it! If you need it I'd be willing to loan it out for free but I would want a deposit I'd return when the pump tool comes back.

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I was thinking along the lines of what DeLorean said...and yes I'm pretty sure Greg is going to be taking the head in for a cleaning and rebuild, the other side of the head actually looks really nice, it's very clean and there is on varnish anywhere - the cylinders do look dir-ty though.

Are there setups that would allow for honing the cylinder sleeves while the pistons are in place? The #1 cyl is really bad, but the others just seems to have carbon deposits and that's about it...I am kinda hoping that the bad sleeve could be cleaned up somehow, but I'm not sure what the best method short of pulling the motor and bringing it to be honed would be. Super-fine steel wool maybe?

Its a damn shame how little room is under the hood of a 99 compared to a c900. Talk about knuckle busting!
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have either of you guys ever honed before? it's not that hard at all. you just hook the honing tool up to the drill, oil it, and go to town on each cyl sleeve. Remember you want to hone as little as possible to get the clean surface and end up with a nice 45 degree (I think it's 45 degree...) cross hatch pattern. Un-fortunately the engine must be out and the pistons removed to hone an engine.

I guess if need be you could use some steel wool on the rust if this is to be an engine in job, but if you end up with no cross hatch pattern when you are done, it really should be re-honed because there are several issues that can crop up once the hone marks are no longer visible. Blue smoke sucks…

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Yeah...I didn't want to piss on the parade and suggest a motor-out sort of project, but if a little steel wool isn't going to be enough of a rememdy then it might be a good idea. I can't imagine that it would take too much more effort to pull the motor out as it sits right now, and luckily the palce that the car is located would be a short trip from my house to bring an engine hoist over...then again, this isn't my project so Greg will need to make the call on that one
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Yeah, yeah -- I see where this is going. I wish I had better options with the engine in the car. I have to chew on this for a few days.

I do appreciate the dialog here -- it's helpful.
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I have access to 2 near new Incas wheels man - let me know if you are interested. Price will be pretty much make an offer I will ship as well if you want.
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That car is the SHIT. A 99 is what my first memories of riding in a car were. The dash pic bought it all back.

On a side note, I would like access to that "turbo" badge on the back of your car.


It's superfab 80's STYLE!!!!!



Serious. It's awesome.
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Yikes dude... That thing has seen some better days! lol.... I would get the head rebuilt and stuff.... That bottom end looking the way it does, I would replace the rings, hone it, clean up the pistons, and put new bearings in.... But that's just me.... I wouldn't really trust the engine looking like that lol... Especially the rings if the coolant has been sitting there for a while... I'd say either way it needs the hone as well because those cylinder walls are pretty nasty lol

It's totally up to you....
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That car is the SHIT. A 99 is what my first memories of riding in a car were. The dash pic bought it all back.


It's superfab 80's STYLE!!!!!



Serious. It's awesome.
Thanks, and thanks for the translation. This new-fangled slang confuses us old people



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On a side note, I would like access to that "turbo" badge on the back of your car.
Sure. We can get over to the garage during the day, just let me know and we can meet over there. PM me
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