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Old 12-20-2007, 06:32 AM   #1
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Classic Performance - The Saab 99 Turbo

This Vintage forum needs more posts!

Here's an article from Oct 2007 in Autospeed.

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_109195/article.html
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:44 AM   #2
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I just picked up a pre-production 77-99 turbo. It was the actual car from the original Road & Track road test. The car is REALLY trashed out now. Severly rusted and alot of stuff missing on the engine. After it's tour with SAAB it was puchased by one of the SAAB Tech trainers and spent all of it's life in Chicago and northern MN. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the thing right now. The easiest would be to find a differant shell and transfer the VIN plates and turbo specific stuff.
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I just picked up a pre-production 77-99 turbo. It was the actual car from the original Road & Track road test. The car is REALLY trashed out now. Severly rusted and alot of stuff missing on the engine. After it's tour with SAAB it was puchased by one of the SAAB Tech trainers and spent all of it's life in Chicago and northern MN. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the thing right now. The easiest would be to find a differant shell and transfer the VIN plates and turbo specific stuff.

I wondered if anyone was going to pick that up. I thought about trying to buy it as a parts car, but that didn't feel right.

The pictures I saw made me think it was not saveable.
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:48 AM   #4
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The pictures I saw made me think it was not saveable.
Same with that '84 Aero (one of five in the world), but that that guy is currently restoring it!

I say save it! Worse comes to worse you sell it down the line to the saab heritage collection.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:02 AM   #5
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Like Greg said, It's not savable. It will have to be used as parts to make something. Too maney of the specific parts are gone. There are no bottoms to the rearquarter panels left either. The best part of the car is the interior which is marginal at best
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Put it on ebay, and we'll email CAS & GM for you.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:10 AM   #7
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Just tell them to contact me. I've already sold them one car and a buch of parts for the black SPG they just restored. I don't the contact info for Greg Mull anymore.
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I just picked up a pre-production 77-99 turbo. It was the actual car from the original Road & Track road test. The easiest would be to find a differant shell and transfer the VIN plates and turbo specific stuff.
I was told about the car over a year ago, and it was suggested I transfer VIN's to the 78T body I have in the garage. It would have been alot cheaper for Tim to just send me the VIN's in the mail, instead of me going to MN to pick up a rotted shell.

Transferring VIN's is easy enough, but it still ain't the right thing to do.
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:22 PM   #9
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Whith this car it's the only thing you could do. She is a real rat.
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:27 PM   #10
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Wasn't the pre production one without a sun roof or something?
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Congrats (I think) on your purchase Moonracer. It must be nice to own a bit of saab heritage/history, its just a shame its unsavable.

Are you leaning more towards restoring it to factory once youve transferred and saved everything you can to another car, or more towards monstering it?

Or perhaps you can make a glass coffee table out of the engine internals or something?
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Old 12-21-2007, 01:51 AM   #12
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Marty,

It's just something I couldn't do, and then say afterwards "yep, it's an original '77 Turbo, the VIN proves it!"

They all can't be saved. Just a shame a piece of history was allowed to get so bad.

The one in my garage should have went to the crusher, but the pictures I saw of it before I went to DC to get it really didn't look that bad. Other than the rotted body, locked up engine, trashed interior, and unknown 4spd condition, and a few thousand hours of work, it should be good as new.

Did I ever tell you that Tim at East of Sweden cut up a rot free 78T body and sent me the sheet metal, just so I could patch the rotted one I have?
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Old 12-21-2007, 08:49 AM   #13
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The 99 Turbo was identifiable by its badges, front and rear spoilers, and ugly 15 x 5.5 alloy wheels.
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:08 AM   #14
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This car never had the wheels or the badges, Remember it was pre-production. The only differance is the spoiler had two big holes for cooling and a funny guage mounted on top of the dash. It has or had regular EMS wheels and even had the ems sticker on the trunk. It is an EMS Turbo
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What about the legality of swapping VINs? Isnt the VIN stamped on the body/frame somewhere? I remember seeing a thread regarding a shop in PA that bought a Buck Grand National GNX that was involved in a fatal accident, and swapped the VIN tags over to a clean t-type regal or GN (cant remember offhand)
The rarity and originality was an issue at stake being it was one of 547 examples.
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:05 AM   #16
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There are three VIN locations on a 99. A tag pop riveted onto the dashboard on the left side, one pop riveted on the driver side jamb, and one stamped into the top of the rear seat rail. The stamped one would be the most difficult to replace, but that just involves cutting some welds and welding the other rail in place.

There were only 100 '77 EMS Turbo test cars imported.

The list is here

http://saabpics.com:3000/gallery2/v/...ff/99testcars/

Only 4 of the original 100 are known to still exist

Linnea K #951
Marty Adams #993
Larry Gesch #992
Rich Kushner #934

Legally, it's most likely a no-no to swap a VIN, even if it is just a 30 year old Saab, but I highly doubt any DMV/law enforcement agency would have the ability to find it out if it was ever done to a 99. I was gearing more toward an ethical obligation of not trying to pass off such a rare car as something it's not. Numbers matching or not, it just wouldn't be right.

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Old 12-23-2007, 07:18 AM   #17
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I have to agree with Doug. It's one thing if the car is a driver that simply has no title and you want to be able to drive it legally, but swapping onto another car for the rarity sake of the other cars VIN number is another matter... I have done the vin swaps on 900's that had no title and were physically clean from rusty cars that were all shot but had a clean title, but never for anything but the purposes of being able to drive or sell them. If you are doing it for the purposes of having an original car, I am of the opinion that as much of the original car should be salvaged as possible. That way you can say "Yep, this is an original 1977 99 turbo Test car" not just "this is a reshelled saab 99 turbo test car that was originally a 1980 GLE that some old lady drove in Florida for the past 30 years"

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Old 12-23-2007, 08:12 AM   #18
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That's the delema with this car. Too rare to part out, but too far gone to restore. I have a feeling that when it's all said and done there will be one less 77 EMS Turbo on the list
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