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Old 09-09-2009, 08:56 PM   #41
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im tryin go do a 93 9k aero t5.2 non tcs conversion i see 2 throttle signal wires on the trionic ecu and wondering if i could use that as a tps sensor wires and 1 being a ground source? then all i have to do is put the non tcs abs module in and theoretically it should run. Im stealin most of the parts off my 91 9kt
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I am working on the exact same thing right now on my 93 Aero... but I am a step behind... having a hard time swapping the gas pedals.

According to the wiring diagram I have, there are three wires connected to the TPS, as follows. (Note: the wire colors are in quotes because they don't exist on a TCS car):
TCS Pin 1 ("Green/Red"): Connects to ECU Pin 42
TCS Pin 2 ("Gray"): Connects to ECU Pin 45
TCS Pin 3 ("Black/White"): Connects to Ground

I am hope to locate and order some spare electrical terminals soon, so that I can make these connections to the ECU. I don't plan to splice into the existing engine harness at all; just run separate wires.

I imagine that there will be a minimum qty for the terminals, so feel free to contact me if you need some.

I plan to connect the AIC valve in a similar manner. But I hadn't planned to replace the ABS ECU.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:33 AM   #42
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I have a 98, so I don't have TCS, but out of curiosity, what happens if you attach a normal throttle assembly and feed the TPS output to the pedal input on the TCS ECU?
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Not sure how I missed this here, but this is the reply I posted on Saabnet. I'd rather post here, honestly.

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I am working on the exact same thing right now on my 93 Aero... but I am a step behind... having a hard time swapping the gas pedals.

According to the wiring diagram I have, there are three wires connected to the TPS, as follows. (Note: the wire colors are in quotes because they don't exist on a TCS car):
TCS Pin 1 ("Green/Red"): Connects to ECU Pin 42
TCS Pin 2 ("Gray"): Connects to ECU Pin 45
TCS Pin 3 ("Black/White"): Connects to Ground

I am hope to locate and order some spare electrical terminals soon, so that I can make these connections to the ECU. I don't plan to splice into the existing engine harness at all; just run separate wires.

I imagine that there will be a minimum qty for the terminals, so feel free to contact me if you need some.

I plan to connect the AIC valve in a similar manner. But I hadn't planned to replace the ABS ECU.

you can pull them from anuther wireing harness as well, i am working on getting a 93 CSE converted now, but there is a "lack of proper parts" issue

when its all done ill post a procedure for it.
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could someone explain TCS to me and what does it do?
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could someone explain TCS to me and what does it do?
TCS stands for Troll Containing System- functional when the car is new but when those little trolls age look out! Leads many drivers equiped with this to proclaim: THERE ARE MOTHERFING TROLLS IN MY MOTHERFING SAAB!
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TCS stands for Troll Containing System- functional when the car is new but when those little trolls age look out! Leads many drivers equiped with this to proclaim: THERE ARE MOTHERFING TROLLS IN MY MOTHERFING SAAB!
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:42 AM   #47
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How About a '95 conversion?

I am considering picking up a '95 9000 Aero. The owner states that it will need a throttle body and TCS computer. The question is, what do I do to bypass the entire TCS system, easily? Otherwise, if I replace the TB would it fix what's going on permanently? But then what about the TCS computer? I've never heard of the computer going bad, and I'm not able to find a replacement so far. I'm all for bypassing if its cheaper/easier to fix than the original system...

I just want the system to not go into limp home mode ever, I did that in my last 9k and I got tired of only being able to drive on roads with shoulder. Thanks!
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:54 AM   #48
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I know you get get those TB rebuilt failry cheap - and the solenoids are cheap too - so why not just fix it? If there are other problems - I could see following the instructions in this thread to remove, but it's not a simple plug and play procedure - you will have to get all the parts first, then begin to convert it.
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I didn't know you could rebuild them, that's a lot easier. Apparently the girl brought it to her mechanic, and it threw out a code saying the computer was faulty. Question is, what do you do then? I've heard of TBs going, but never a computer problem. I'm not sure what to do if I got the car, its always in limp mode now. Recommendations?
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More good details in this thread FYI:
https://saablink.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2061

Also - as for the reman TB unit's I am looking for the company who does them, I know BBA does, but not sure if that is the only one or not.
http://www.bba-reman.com/catalogue/D...edProduct=1295

They also have 1995 ECU's reman;
http://www.bba-reman.com/content.asp...=Saab-1995-ECU
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Also - as for the reman TB unit's I am looking for the company who does them, I know BBA does, but not sure if that is the only one or not.
http://www.bba-reman.com/catalogue/D...edProduct=1295

Here's another:

http://www.ultimaltd.com/
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That computer is under the driver seat and tends to get wet. I have popped them open, cleaned them up and saved them before.
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:26 PM   #53
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Thats what the TCS throttle body looks like.


what year is this???
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what year is this???
1993-1995 9000 "CS" body.
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Old 05-07-2011, 12:49 PM   #55
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Hi, brothers in mind!
I got a need to convert my TCS T5.2 into a non-TCS T5.5.
Advice of an experienced person to me would be greatly helped.
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I am halfway through this an need some clarification.

1) Crank position sensor and speedometer sending unit plug ends were different from the 1991 donor car, to the 1992 recipient car, so I swapped all that stuff over, but I notice that those plugs dont attach to the round-plug, firewall-forward harness on the 1991 (I believe they did on the 1992, but could be wrong.) Did these need to be swapped? Where do they attach to the 1992 car's factory harness?

2) ECU's and stuff. Each car has a metal jetronic ECU? under the bulkhead, but the 1992 also has a plastic APC-looking box, similar to a C900 under the bulkhead. The 1991 does not. Is there something else I'm missing on either car? I didn't find anything under the seats in the 1991. Do I just swap the metal Jetronic boxes add the wires and go?
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^^The APC/DI ECU under the bulkhead on the '92 stays intact with it's harness. I forget what the story was with the sensors. I don't think I had issues there.
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Old 08-29-2011, 03:03 AM   #59
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Looking for confirmation here.

I am using a 1991 9kT harness from the bulkhead forward. In order to use that, do I need to rip apart the factory 1992 harness that connects to the bulkhead AND the DI/APC box under the bulkhead, and basically separate out everything connected to the DI/APC box, keep it in the car, and pitch the rest of it?

The 1991 harness has no connections for things like speedometer sending unit, crank position sensor and a 2-wire plug on the back of the block (coolant, oil pressure?). The 1992 harness does.
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Old 09-06-2011, 06:18 PM   #60
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93 9000 with ETS

Wow and thanks I read your posts and found some hope. I just purchased a 93 Saab 9000 with ETB and TCS and it runs horrible. The car had low miles and nice interior, but I did know about the ETS system. No wonder it was a cheap fixer upper. The ETB is locked up, so can I convert a 93 back to standard throttle. One of the post suggested negative. I do have a 92 w/o and a 93 w/o ETS for parts. I did see the information about the rebuilt ETBs also, so perhaps that would be best. However, I would to just like to make the vehicle more mechanical and eliminate ETS.
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