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Old 01-16-2012, 01:17 PM   #1
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Thinking about a 9-7x Aero.

My friend wants to buy my 4Runner in a few months, so I am considering replacement options.

Requirements:
- Interior space to haul my work gear
- Not really interested in a wagon at this point in my life
- Comfortable
- Fold flat rear seats
- Light off-road capability/4WD, camping friendly, some ground clearance for un-plowed winter roads in our local mountains.

Major bonus points:
- A rear window that either rolls down into the tailgate or opens separately for my 9'6" surfboard.
- Fun to drive/quick-ish

Options I am considering:
- Upgrade to a newer/nicer T4R, but they're super high resale value makes it hard to find a good deal. Mine was previously owned by my dad. He was good about regular maintenance but not about caring for the int/ext. This one has tired cloth, no moonroof, 210k miles, a timing cover leak, and throws a weird CEL every summer related to the cats.

- 60 Series Land Cruiser. I love how they look but if I'm honest, I would prefer more than 155hp if I am spending that much on gas. Also, old.

- 80 Series Land Cruiser. Not as cool as the 60 series, but more powerrrr, modern safety, creature comforts.

- 9-7X Aero. 390 hp sounds like fun! 12-13mpg does not! But I get like 16-18 now... Also I shopped the 5.3i's a few years ago and the center stack layout is not ideal. At 6'1" I felt like it was too close/too vertical (?) to make it easy to see the low CC/head unit.

I also like road trips, so Talladega900, maybe you can chime in -- what's the real world range of 1 cruising highway tank?

Maybe interested in:
9-4x Aero (prices still too high to offset concern about parts/warranties)
Jeep GCs
LR Discos (late Series II, have to check prices on early LR3s)

Wild Cards:
9-2x Aero (crap interior)
Turbo X (fun, but not sure I can make the spacial sacrifice, can't get over wagon stigma)

Not interested in:
9-3x
Edge/Explorer/Escape
X3/5
Mercs
Subarus
Chevy/GMC
Infiniti FX: Been there, done that. I loved mine for what it was (and highly recommend it in another thread) but for an SUV where it excelled in the driving and looks categories, it lacked in overall utility, mainly roof height in the rear hatch area.
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Have you thought about a diesel Touareg? They're actually not that bad as long as you option it right.
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Hmm, interesting. I have not.
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The other JK, the one without the digits, has a pal who has the really good one they don't make anymore - the v10, I think?

Regardless, as neat as a 9-7x Aero would be, I'd wait until there's a better idea of how the parts situation is going to get resolved before getting back into any Saab. You don't want your car held hostage because some module that's Saab specific is unobtainium for weeks.

Also, the fast 9-3 wagons (the Turbo X came either 280 or 285 and a flash only goes to around 320) while not your cup of tea sure are fun. There will be one in my life again at some point....
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Old 01-16-2012, 01:39 PM   #5
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A V10 TDI would be epic. It might have just enough torque to make me forget about potential OOW repair bills.

Yeah I think the only wagon I'd realistically consider is a Turbo X. The wheels already look great, and the growl + blacked out tint mans it up just enough.

I test drove a MT TX sedan and enjoyed it.
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Yeah, our friend Mike has a TDI Touraeg. But they can be a maintenance hog.
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The cheapest CPO Toureg TDI within 500 miles of me on Autotrader is listed at $32,500, which puts it about $7500 above what I wanted to spend, knowing how quickly I go through cars vs depreciation.

How can you not love diesel specs? 221hp/407tq. And mpgs I can live with.
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I don't know how much better/spacious a Cayenne/Touraeg are compared to the FX.

Rear glass flip-up/roll-down option makes for a limited selection, no?
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I don't know how much better/spacious a Cayenne/Touraeg are compared to the FX.

Rear glass flip-up/roll-down option makes for a limited selection, no?
1) True, but the FX does have that very sloped/bubble-shaped roof line.

2) Yeah, that's why I put it in the bonus section. I can use a roof rack, but throwing in the back window is so much more convenient.
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The cheapest CPO Toureg TDI within 500 miles of me on Autotrader is listed at $32,500, which puts it about $7500 above what I wanted to spend, knowing how quickly I go through cars vs depreciation.

How can you not love diesel specs? 221hp/407tq. And mpgs I can live with.
Weird. He got his for $25k a year and a half ago. It had like 55k miles on it.
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Weird. He got his for $25k a year and a half ago. It had like 55k miles on it.
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1) True, but the FX does have that very sloped/bubble-shaped roof line.

2) Yeah, that's why I put it in the bonus section. I can use a roof rack, but throwing in the back window is so much more convenient.
Don't the early naughts BMW wagons have roll down or flip up windows? But, ah, a wagon....They're damn handy....
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I love having the rear glass open-able. Used it every single day-much quicker than opening the tailgate.

That said, fuck all the others mentioned, get something with great personality, good roominess, rugged, and looks hawt.

How about a Jeep Wrangler w/ 6spd and new engine. Yummy new interior, 7sec 0-60, removable hard-top in sections. Perfection.
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Interesting Bruce. Forgot they had the 4 doors now. Whenever I think of Wranglers I think of PJ O'Rourke's write up on his...

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Ah OK I searched CPOs so nothing that old would've shown up.
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Maybe interested in:
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Jeep GCs
LR Discos (late Series II, have to check prices on early LR3s)
My sis had an early LR3 it was great, save for the 13mpg I consistently achieved. Built like a tank, great quality throughout, and reliable to boot.
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Interesting Bruce. Forgot they had the 4 doors now. Whenever I think of Wranglers I think of PJ O'Rourke's write up on his...

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PJ O'Rourke is an iconic writer/bon-vivant. Him and Peter Egan, great story-tellers.
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Guessing a pickup is out of the question? I've got a few buddies with newer Tacoma's and they're surprisingly good on gas, feel quick enough, more than capable off-road and with a shell you really can't get any easier for loading up surf/snow/dirt gear.

Otherwise, my vote definitely goes to the Wrangler. Those things are hawt.
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Tacomas are very nice. Definitely worth a look. Problem is no one ever wants to sell theirs and ones off trade-in are $$$$.
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