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Old 03-06-2014, 10:31 AM   #1
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just bought my first SAAB ADVICE NEEDED

Well I bought a 2003 95 Linear 2.0t estate Auto, 66000 miles on it this morning but only picking it up tomorrow.

During my test drive the Engine management light was on the dash. I asked a mechanic who ran a diagnostics test on it showed up Lamda sensor (o2s) and cam sensor. Order both today NGK.

For the Linear model its got wood dash heated seats not sure if this is standard on this model or not.

Weird when test driving going around a round about or turning right this ding dong bell came on, Like a pre announcement also when no passenger in front fasten seat light stays on with a bing also..

Auto on the selector below "D" is "M" with a with a left and right arrow. can anyone tell me what this is ?

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M is manual mode for shifting the trans manually. Don't bother. The 2.0t shouldn't have a cam position sensor, it should have a crank position sensor...
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the cam postition code refers to the Direct ignition cartridge, that means its ion sensing part of the system is failing
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M is manual mode for shifting the trans manually. Don't bother. The 2.0t shouldn't have a cam position sensor, it should have a crank position sensor...
I thought as much but the selector doesnt move left or right to change manually...

ok I will double check the code

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Old 03-06-2014, 12:05 PM   #5
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the cam postition code refers to the Direct ignition cartridge, that means its ion sensing part of the system is failing
Hi Mike

Ion sensing part sounds expensive or big issue?

ok the current issue was PO 0134 / P1312

Stored in memory were P 0340 / 1334 /PO 340

YIKES getting a little worried or should I be ?
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I'd be worried about the "ding" when you corner. That chime is there to tell you that something is wrong, and is generally accompanied by a warning light on the dash (oil, airbag, abs, etc)

P0340, 1312, 1334 all scream "direct ignition cassette", though I'd try a fresh set of plugs first (NGK spark plugs, should be done when replacing the DIC anyway)

When "m" is selected on the shifter, you shift with the "paddles" on the steering wheel. #1-5 should appear on the dash to show the gear selected

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I'd be worried about the "ding" when you corner. That chime is there to tell you that something is wrong, and is generally accompanied by a warning light on the dash (oil, airbag, abs, etc)

P0340, 1312, 1334 all scream "direct ignition cassette", though I'd try a fresh set of plugs first (NGK spark plugs, should be done when replacing the DIC anyway)

When "m" is selected on the shifter, you shift with the "paddles" on the steering wheel. #1-5 should appear on the dash to show the gear selected
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is it a big job to do DIC ? Any suggestions as to where to buy DIC
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is it a big job to do DIC ? Any suggestions as to where to buy DIC
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Its actually the easiest job on any Saab. 4 torx screws and one connector, directly on top of the motor.
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Its actually the easiest job on any Saab. 4 torx screws and one connector, directly on top of the motor.
Thanks guys I will get new plugs first as suggested and take it from there..
The price on ebay for DIC vary alot.
This Saab only has 66000 miles on it is DIC a weak point ?
The car drives really well besides the engine management you would not think anything is wrong. Are there other signs of a faulty DIC
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Hey Jep - welcome to the community. Eeuroparts.com is where I get the bulk of my SAAB parts. Here's a link for the DIC - 55559955 Aftermarket - Direct Ignition Cassette (Black) - Proparts 28349955 - Free Shipping. You might also score from a salvage pull, just plug and test before you buy it. Like Saabeh stated, it's the easiest DIY job on the car.
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DO NOT BUY CHINESe KNOCK OFF DI CASSETTES, they will fail and can kill your engine. In teh Us carquest sells thme fro 280 bucks, you shoudl be able to find them for a comparagble price. THey are not really a weak part, but early years had a bad batch, yours is probably original and they go around 50K on the early years

If you get a ding when going around corners I woudl assume is the oil likght that blinks for a second. That would worry me that you have sludge in your oil pan. Low miles cars tend to have more sludge, you need ot drop the pan and make sure you have PCV update #6
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Old 03-10-2014, 07:11 AM   #12
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Hey Jep - welcome to the community. Eeuroparts.com is where I get the bulk of my SAAB parts. Here's a link for the DIC - 55559955 Aftermarket - Direct Ignition Cassette (Black) - Proparts 28349955 - Free Shipping. You might also score from a salvage pull, just plug and test before you buy it. Like Saabeh stated, it's the easiest DIY job on the car.
Hi Many thanks for the advice may try a salvage yard to confirm its the issue.
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Old 03-10-2014, 07:26 AM   #13
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DO NOT BUY CHINESe KNOCK OFF DI CASSETTES, they will fail and can kill your engine. In teh Us carquest sells thme fro 280 bucks, you shoudl be able to find them for a comparagble price. THey are not really a weak part, but early years had a bad batch, yours is probably original and they go around 50K on the early years

If you get a ding when going around corners I woudl assume is the oil likght that blinks for a second. That would worry me that you have sludge in your oil pan. Low miles cars tend to have more sludge, you need ot drop the pan and make sure you have PCV update #6
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Yes the Knock off are very attractive price wise but after reading what you have just said a very expensive in the end.. I will try and source a 2nd hand unit to confirm its the issue. What are other tell tail signs of it being DIC unit issue. So far it just the codes which indicate Cam sensor issue. The car drives very well and only issue is the engine management light been on.

On another note the Bing noise when taking a right hand bend followed by a oil light flicker for a second has been solved finger crossed. Follow advice from the good members on here I carried an oil change just after purchase no signs of sludge actually little sign of any OIL !! maybe a litre drain out !! Previous owner said he did an oil change but I think he drain but forgot to top it up again as the oil very golden in colour fresh looking the little that was there. Anyhow after filling it up new oil the bing has stopped

I must be honest I loved the early Saab 99 turbo my brother worked for Saab dealer when they first came out and he had one as a company car black with red strip seats of similar fashion and left a huge impression on me. However I never really consider Saab other than the 99 T but after driving the 9-5 now for 500 miles i am really taken back by the comfort, handling, performance, economy fantastic car. Delighted with my purchase. Just as a side note I have owned a number of cars over the years right across the ranges, last two before Saab were Jaguar XJR, Mercedes C class. I ask the question why are they (Saab) so under rated ! Many people are so unjust in their comments about them.. A real wolf in sheeps clothing
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I must be honest I loved the early Saab 99 turbo my brother worked for Saab dealer when they first came out and he had one as a company car black with red strip seats of similar fashion and left a huge impression on me. However I never really consider Saab other than the 99 T but after driving the 9-5 now for 500 miles i am really taken back by the comfort, handling, performance, economy fantastic car. Delighted with my purchase. Just as a side note I have owned a number of cars over the years right across the ranges, last two before Saab were Jaguar XJR, Mercedes C class. I ask the question why are they (Saab) so under rated ! Many people are so unjust in their comments about them.. A real wolf in sheeps clothing
I as well have a soft spot for the 9-5 (not the wagon one though)... I dunno why... guess I wont find out until I drive one..

Glad to hear your enjoying this car...

I was told the earlier the 9-5 the better. Someone suggested the 99's are nice year..

I wouldn't know...

Re: SAAB Bad press!

well, that's a loaded question. I was always told either you love em or hate em but there is no SAAB purgatory..

best of luck with your car!
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Sounds like I may be too late on this one, but If you haven't driven this car away, don't.
It's got signs that point to a neglected car.

CEL's for ignition cassette, and low oil pressure alone would make me worry.
Have the dealership drop the pan and inspect/clean the oil pickup.

Ignition cassette shouldn't really be bad in 70k miles. although it's got a good amount of years on it, if it's used so little, it should be good, still.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:30 AM   #16
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Sounds like I may be too late on this one, but If you haven't driven this car away, don't.
It's got signs that point to a neglected car.

CEL's for ignition cassette, and low oil pressure alone would make me worry.
Have the dealership drop the pan and inspect/clean the oil pickup.

Ignition cassette shouldn't really be bad in 70k miles. although it's got a good amount of years on it, if it's used so little, it should be good, still.
Hi

I have bought it, I did a oil change myself on it.

Personally I think the previous owner got distracted while doing a oil change on it and didn't fill it up fully!! and though he had, hence the bing and oil light flash. It has not done either since the oil was topped up after oil change. I really dont think there is a oil pressure issue just was very low on oil

IT has a full service history with Saab dealer up to last service, when the previous owner decided to sell it and he one himself.

I have receipts in the book for oil changes every 5 - 6k miles.

Any advice on error code stating cam sensors !! remember its a 2.0l not 2.3.

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I have bought it, I did a oil change myself on it.

Personally I think the previous owner got distracted while doing a oil change on it and didn't fill it up fully!! and though he had, hence the bing and oil light flash. It has not done either since the oil was topped up after oil change. I really dont think there is a oil pressure issue just was very low on oil

IT has a full service history with Saab dealer up to last service, when the previous owner decided to sell it and he one himself.

I have receipts in the book for oil changes every 5 - 6k miles.

Any advice on error code stating cam sensors !! remember its a 2.0l not 2.3.

J
Dropping the oil pan is a VERY small price to pay for peace of mind...
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Old 03-29-2014, 12:08 PM   #18
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luck @ the dealer serv. rec. 2 see the lost date the car was service. U have a total of (5codes), this is on indication that the car was neglect. Before going on ether a short or a long trip, U have 2 fix them, & believe me if U continue driven, more code will pop up, & U may end up with a bad engine. My understanding that U will have 2 start by fixing the (first code that was stored ; then the second, third...). Other wise even if U replace the Dic, it may not function well, because of the other codes, that R stored; & U may think the new Dic is bad, that go for any sensor to. Note: DO NOT, remove the Negative post of the battery, the #17 fuse, before fixing the code
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