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Old 08-07-2012, 09:48 AM   #1
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road noise from viggen tires?

So I just recently rotated my tires on my 2001 Viggen, cause of some road noise, thinking that the rear tires will not have as much wear, but to my surprise the road noise is worse. The tires are new primewells with less than 10k on them. I have been reading some things on this issue and alot of the same issues that other viggen owners are having, it seems like it is because of the Viggens negative rear suspension camber and that it cant be adjusted? Is this true and if so what can be my best defense in eliminating some of the tire noise, more rotations more often, harder cornering? thanks
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Never heard of prime wells.....my last set of dunlop direzzas were extremely noisy as they aged. Present Michelin pilot sports are silent......
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Best way to eliminate tire noise on off-brand bargain tires made in China is to inflate them to 38 psi, deflate to 20 psi, then re-inflate to 40 psi...then remove them and burn them.


Shitty tires make the Baby Jesus weep.

EDIT: I should have been more specific. With shitty tires on the car, there's no way to tell whether the increased road noise is coming from an errant suspension setting or from the tires themselves. Even some good tire brands have specific tread designs that cause noise; classic case is the BFG gForce KDW2. They hum like truck tires exactly between 40-45 mph.

But Primewells? Dunno if I've ever heard of them being put on anything but a basic auto appliance...

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like the old saying goes, you get what you pay for...but the funny thing is i had a set of $1,300 pirellis and they pretty much did the same thing, just my luck...i had the same issue with my VW 20th anniv. GTI, I think the problem lies with the factory tuned lowered suspension on these specialty vehicles, they suck the life out of any tire, but I guess that is the pain I will live with in owning my viggen
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There's going to be a bit more road noise in a car with a stiffer suspension, regardless of brand, but the rear tire wear in the NG900/9-3 can be helped a bit with shims...
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Why does road noise go up in a stiffly sprung car vs soft?

No audible db increase when I changes stock suspension to aftermarket stuff....

Like stated some treads are noisier then other... Some compounds noisier then others.... Cheap tires are always noisier then others.
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There's always more vibration transmitted to the cabin with a stiffer suspension, but when you put on bad rubber it's tough to determine the actual source of the noise....
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Those primewell tires are JUNK!!! There was a set on our viggen when we got it (not sure if you live near NJ, but that's where ours was from) GET NEW TIRES!!! The noise will go away magically.

Ours were so bad they looked like a teenagers face. Got that and an alignment done at the same time. Bought Continental ExtremeContact DWS. Excellent. Silent.

When we got the car I thought it had a wheel bearing out. Then I swapped wheels with my 9-5 for a weekend and learned it was the tires.
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I had Bridgestone's on my Viggen and they were so noisy it was stupid. My GY Eagles have about 20K on them and they are starting to get a little noisy too.
Kinda OT but our Ford Edge wears Yoko's and they are brutally noisy. I can hardly wait till they need replacement.
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Bought Continental ExtremeContact DWS. Excellent. Silent.
My Conti Extremes were great for 20K miles, then they got noisy and developed out of round issues. I checked them out again in the reviews at Tirerack when tire shopping recently... seems that a fair number of people have these issues with them.
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I dont think it is a wheel bearing. Just b4 i did the rotation the noise was bad, I noticed it around 35-45mph, it was kinda like a wobbling vibrating sound it almost sounded like I had a set of snow tires, but since i did the rotation, it is very bad and i can tell now that it is because the rear tires r actually worse, so mayb i will just rotate back until I can afford a good set of rubber. I cant think of anything else that would b bad or going bad, I just did a new engine with new clutch, throw out bearing, new air flow meter, etc etc etc etc.....Thanks for all your help and comments guys, I'm just excited to be back in a SAAB especially my Viggen, I spent toooo many yrs in a VW
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My Conti Extremes were great for 20K miles, then they got noisy and developed out of round issues. I checked them out again in the reviews at Tirerack when tire shopping recently... seems that a fair number of people have these issues with them.
Have around 20k on the ones on my 9-5, still good (no noise/issues) and have good life left. Just about 10k on the ones on the Viggen, same thing.

I will say that my dad had a set on his Mercedes S500 a year or two back and he said that they wore out quick and got noisy when they wore out... Then again that's a MUCH larger car than any of our Saabs. He's also a more agressive driver so maybe that's why they wore so quickly.
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Just got the tires on my 2003 9-3 Convertible rotated.
Noise makes me think it's the tires or something else.
The owners manual says the good tires should be in the rear.?
Better stability?? OK, maybe but I thought I would get better traction in the snow with the better tires up front.

I will rotate them back tomorrow and see if the noise goes away.
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Just got the tires on my 2003 9-3 Convertible rotated.
Noise makes me think it's the tires or something else.
The owners manual says the good tires should be in the rear.?
Better stability?? OK, maybe but I thought I would get better traction in the snow with the better tires up front.

I will rotate them back tomorrow and see if the noise goes away.
Tire shops always make you put new tires on the back if you just buy a pair. The reasoning is that they don't want the back to lose traction and swing out on you. You'll definitely have more traction when starting up in snow with the better tires on the front, but people say you'll be better off while you're actually moving with better tires in the rear. It seems to start some pretty heated arguments at times, though.
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Tire shops always make you put new tires on the back if you just buy a pair. The reasoning is that they don't want the back to lose traction and swing out on you. You'll definitely have more traction when starting up in snow with the better tires on the front, but people say you'll be better off while you're actually moving with better tires in the rear. It seems to start some pretty heated arguments at times, though.
That's in line with how I've had shops explain it to me, basically they're considering oversteer vs. understeer while moving down the road, not the ability to make progress or start moving when it snows.

They figure that better tread on the rear will tend to contribute to understeering at the limit in most situations, which is easier for people to control compared to oversteer. There's truth to it and in fact it's also in line with the way OEMs calibrate their suspension/alignment settings. You'd be hard-pressed to find a modern car with suspension tuned from the OEM to favor anything other than understeer, probably the closest would be "balanced" or "neutral" in something like an EVO or WRX.
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The evo and wrx are also under steering machines which is how most awd vehicles are setup

I would say the most neutral cars would be mid/rear engine cars and also the rwd beemers etc

When I had a local shop swap my snow tires in my car we chatted about where to put the better tires and we all agreed better tires up front. Stated rears are just along for the ride

My take is for liability reasons the chain tire shops put the better tires in the back.
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