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Old 06-27-2015, 01:58 PM   #1
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Stranded at Work: 2001 9-5 2.3 Turbo *Help!*

We purchased a very clean 2001 9-5 2.3 turbo last month. It only has 80,000 miles on it.

Thursday of this week, the car drove fine to work. When I went to leave work, the car would crank, but wouldn't start up.

In talking with others, some causes came to discussion:

--Crankshaft position sensor
--DIC

I replaced both of those, starting with the CPS. That didn't do anything.

I purchased a DIC. I put that in, and the car BRIEFLY acted like it wanted to start, but then went back to just cranking.

I had someone try to help me see if the fuel pump was priming. I had him turn the car to on with my ear to the pump, and it did not make a noise. Same with cranking. No fuel pump noises.

I checked the fuse, and it's fine.

No CEL codes because the it hasn't been driven since the problem came around Thursday.

Where do I go from here? Fuel pump? I'm already in an additional $500 since purchasing the car for stuff that has broken.
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Old 06-27-2015, 02:05 PM   #2
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Also: The tach does bump up during cranking.

DIC was not OEM, but just wanted to test it out.

We just need to get it to run.
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Old 06-27-2015, 07:41 PM   #3
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Sounds like a fuel pump...
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Your fuel pump is easily removed. Also, you can buy an insert for a fraction of the price. Just google 9 5 fuel pump removal it will take you to lots of posts about both.
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Old 06-28-2015, 06:08 AM   #5
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It does sound like a bad fuel pump to me too but you may consider buying or renting a fuel pressure gauge before throwing more parts at it.

If you take the plastic cover off at the throttle body, the fuel rail is right there and there's a port to plug in a gauge. Plug in the gauge and then turn the key. It takes about 30 seconds to check.
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Old 06-28-2015, 04:26 PM   #6
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I ordered a new fuel pump for it. I'm sure that will get here in a few days.

I swapped back the old CPS and the tach still moves up, so I'm thinking the old one was still good.

Unfortunately, I couldn't get a fuel pressure tester/gauge from the local parts store. They didn't have a rental one, and it was $45 to purchase, which I can't justify spending on if I might be able to rent a tester from a different parts store tomorrow. I was going to check other parts stores to see if I could rent one from there, but everything is pretty much closed up for the day. Worst case scenario, I have to buy it, but It's going to suck buying something I probably won't use again.

I tested the pump plug for power, and it's getting power upon the key being in the on position, as well as cranking, so the relay is presumably working.
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WHen you turn the ignition on you will hear the pump turn on, especially if you have the back seat up.. If you hear no humming its bad
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I built a little jumper wire w/a couple spade connectors and a fuse to stick in the fuel pump relay socket for this sort of thing. But, like others have said, sounds like a fp - lucky you it's a 9-5 and not a 9-3, should be a 30 minute swap, tops. Just be VERY careful with the plastic elbows that connect the lines to the pump body itself. Might want to use a little silicone spray and a lot of gentle wiggling.
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I've read that the pump change takes a few hours. Not sure how that's possible. Removal took about ten minutes, and installation took even less it seemed like.

The pump was most certainly bad. We didn't hear any noises, but after this new pump was installed, the pump is definitely working!

Unfortunately, we tried starting it, and it won't start. I took the battery out and it produced 410 CCA, when the battery was rated for 740 CCA.

Its charging right now, so hopefully it will get it to start with full charging capabilities. It was cranking very weakly, so here's to crossing my fingers.

If not, I'm not really sure what else it could be, unless the DIC was actually bad, and/or the CPS is bad.

While the battery is charging, I removed the DIC and spark plugs. They smell like fuel and seem to be wet (Slightly, but might just be oil from the valve cover having a small leak), but I would still like to wait for a freshly charged up battery to see what happens.

I'll find out soon whether the battery is the cause.

Any ideas if it still won't start? This car is a nightmare.

On the bright side, we flat towed the Saab home with our SUV, so we can at least work on it without traffic whizzing by.
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Well, more bad news.

Got the battery charged up, and now the fuel pump will not kick on.

This car is becoming absolutely ridiculous.
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Err...scratch that. It runs now. Somehow the fuel pump plug jiggled loose? Yeah I don't know either.

Unfortunately, the car has a little bit of smoke coming up from behind the heat shield. The only thing I can see is that the CPS is leaking a little oil, the seal must have gone bad from removal/install. Probably should have kept the old one.

Any thoughts on the smoke? The CPS leak doesn't seem to be hitting the exhaust, just the block, and the smoke is more manifold based.
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Make sure the old cps o ring wasn't stuck in the block, or some other piece of debris.
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Make sure the old cps o ring wasn't stuck in the block, or some other piece of debris.
True true.

I had a Viggen commuter that was missing the little sheet metal guard and had a different bolt holding the CPS in place.

When I went to install a new guard the sensor wasn't seating quite right and the correct torx bolt was too short. I was like "hmm"and tried it again from a different angle, still too short, and then I was like "hmmm", tried again, still too short, and on like that for awhile.

And you know you're sort of contorted in there and can't really get at things too well or look straight into the hole. Lol finally I figured out there were two o-rings stacked on top of each other in there.
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